On Friday 07 September 2001 06:07 pm, John Check escribi�:
> Hear hear
OK, I originally posted my experience with Mandrake. Since a lot of
y'all are probly LM users, comment on this discussion.
~~
new linux drivers for nvidia cards Version: 1.0-1512
From: Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Friday 07 September 2001 02:46 pm, Linux xxxxx escribi�:
> Is it possible for me to get a reverse-compiler
> for Linux and de-compile these things into C or C++ ?
Yes, then D/l the windoze drivers and have at it. You'll also need to
dissect their chips. Might need some $pecial hardware ;> Careful tho,
you might havt'a finish the job in jail along with that Russian guy.
The excuse 'partially' Linux supportive vendors like nVidia an other
Win-tel members give is that they don't want to expose their
intellectual property by releasing the source for their drivers.
I guarantee this is B$. The Wintel-M$ gang doesn't want popular and
current hardware fully supported by other than Billy's OS. ATI has
probly dissected nVidia drivers and chips to the point they might even
know more about them than nVidia does.
Hard fact of life that remains is that their hardware will never be
fully functional and/or supported, or even could possibly be, by the
Linux community developers until they provide open source so that it
can be compiled against the almost infinite number of kernel, libc,
gcc, etc., possibilities that currently exist across Linux distros,
kernels, and users .... without retribution.
What bothered me the most about nVidia's newest 1512 "Mandrake 8.0"
closed source B$ drivers is that either out'a stupidity on their part,
or intentionally, they were built against a 2.4.3 kernel and XFree 4.0.2
Neither of which are current to 8.0. The Xfree part maybe NBFD, but
the kernel is.
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o
(II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.1512
Module class: XFree86 Video Driver
D/l the nVidia precompiled 8.0-1512 rpm and you'll get a warning that
it needs '2.4.3-20mdk' kernel. That doesn't mean it won't work with
newer kernels, but it means it probly won't... and doesn't in my
experience, or from what I've read on the cooker (Mdk developers) list.
I've got one word for nVidia's Linux support, and like most in the
wintel-gang, it's .... DISINGENUOUS. They're just stringin us along,
with poor, partially capable, closed source secret drivers. IMO, out'a
fear of losing M$ cooperation. YMMV I'm sort's pi$$'d at myself for
buyin nVidia crap, even tho I knew all the above beforehand. My only
excuse is it's gettin harder and harder... not to. Billy's winning ;(
~~
--
Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay
>
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Andy Ross wrote:
> > I _really_ shouldn't be getting involved in this...
> >
> > Curtis L. Olson wrote:
> > > Tom Brinkman writes:
> > > > Try buyin current hardware that's not Intel-M$-gang stuff
> > > >
> > > > Like I said, nVidia works great with Windoze
> > >
> > > Intel had a very prominant position at LinuxWorld ... I don't
> > > think the lines are quite as clear as you are drawing them.
> >
> > And don't forget that NVidia is competing directly with Intel in
> > the high-end chipset market with their "nforce" chipset family.
> > And that they thumbed their nose at Microsoft from the very early
> > days with their (really good, really prompt) support of OpenGL, or
> > the fact that they release their linux drivers with the same
> > feature set* as their windows ones. NVidia is basically supporting
> > Linux in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY that they support windows users, and
> > I think they ought to be applauded for that, or at least not
> > ridiculed.
> >
> > NVidia drivers are proprietary software. If that's the issue you
> > have with them, then grind THAT axe**. Don't confuse the issue
> > with all this evil empire nonsense about the "Intel-M$-gang". It
> > makes you look like a lunatic.
> >
> > Corporations are corporations, and they act out of self interest.
> > Sometimes they do good things, sometimes they do bad things. I
> > don't "trust" them any more than you do, and prefer free (as in
> > speech) software to proprietary versions when I can get it. But
> > when a company offers me software for free (as in beer) that does
> > what I want, I generally use it. Don't look a gift horse in the
> > mouth.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > * Take a look at the register combiners, or vertex program
> > extensions. No other vendor has this kind of feature support in
> > OpenGL. ATI's windows-only Radeon drivers are a joke in
> > comparison.
> >
> > ** Point us at free drivers for different hardware. I run the DRI
> > drivers for the Matrox G400 on my other machine, and they work
> > very well. Not as fast as the GeForce hardware, certainly, but
> > quite acceptable. It's a nice piece of work.
--
Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay
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