On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:24:05 +0100, Bartosz wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi,
>  
> thanks for your feedback! I do have OpenGL running, and I get direct
> rendering.
>  
> This is true both for ATI drivers as well as xorg.
>  
> Let me briefly describe what I get:
> - with ATI drivers (tried versions: 8.14.13, 8.20.8, 8.22.5) I have
> stable system, but unfortunately many GL extensions does not seem to
> work (probably they are not implemented by the driver). For some
> driver versions I got completely wrong flightgear rendering (such as
> black sun/moon). In ALL tried versions I cannot see approach lights
> (doesn't mean normal or extended). In practice I just cannot enjoy
> night flights, for me that's huge drawback.
>  
> - with Xorg drivers (tried various DRM versions: 20050502, 20050807,
> 20051028, 20051223 - these are gentoo ebuild numbers of x11-drm
> package) I get all flightgear goodies (even extended lights with
> latest binary snapshots!), however, DRI drivers make entire system
> unstable when OpenGL application is executed.  I get frequent lockups
> of entire machine that requires hard reset (very bad thing for any
> OS). In practice it's hard to live with such driver, even xscreensaver
> can halt the system. It seems to be very well known bug (see reports:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1280,
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2581). The system can
> hang up even when I disable certain driver features using .drirc
> configuration file or using R200_* environment variables. Don't you
> have such problems with you 9200 card?

..no, except it's glacially slow, but quick considering it's 
an AMD k6-2 450MHz feeding an _1_x agp slot.  ;o)

> I am running gentoo linux with X 6.8.2-r2 (also tried X.org 6.9 from
> binary snapshot at: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Download).
> > uname -a
> Linux iskra 2.6.14-gentoo-r2 #7 PREEMPT Fri Mar 10 23:33:34 CET 2006
> i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

..tried the newer kernels? (2.6.15 or 2.6.16?)

> regards,
>  
> Bartek
> 
> Dnia 9-03-2006 o godz. 13:40 Arnt Karlsen napisał(a):
> > On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:58:47 +0100, Detlef wrote in message
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Am Mittwoch, den 08.03.2006, 11:16 +0100 schrieb Bartosz Krysztop:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > please apologise if that is not the forum I should write to. I
> > > > am writing because I feel helpless fighting evening by evening
> > > > with my Gentoo Linux to get bug-free 3D acceleration on my
> > > > Radeon 9000 card.
> >
> > ..I run a 128bit 128MB Sapphire Radeon 9250 on X.org's radeon (DRI),
> > only off a 1x agp slot, the box is a 7 yr old amd k6-2 450MHz, so I
> > get like 1-5fps instead of 8-40. ;o)
> >
> > ..is seen here as: lspci |grep ATI
> > 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280
> > [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
> > 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown
> > device 5940 (rev 01)
> >
> > ..and cat /var/log/Xorg.1.log |grep ATI
> > (**) | |-->Device "ATI Technologies, Inc. RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]"
> > (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] rev
> > 1, Mem @ 0xd8000000/27, 0xf1000000/16, I/O @ 0xd000/8, BIOS @
> > 0xf0000000/17 (--) PCI: (1:0:1) ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon
> > 9200 PRO] (Secondary) rev 1, Mem @ 0xe0000000/27, 0xf1010000/16
> > (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.5.7) for chipsets: ati, ativga
> > (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128
> > Mobility M3 LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility M3 LF (AGP), ATI Rage
> > 128 Mobility M4 MF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility M4 ML (AGP), ATI
> > Rage 128 Pro GL PA (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro GL PB (AGP?), ATI
> > Rage 128 Pro GL PC (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro GL PD (PCI), ATI Rage
> > 128 Pro GL PE (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro GL PF (AGP), ATI Rage 128
> > Pro VR PG (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PH (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro
> > VR PI (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PJ (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR
> > PK (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PL (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PM
> > (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PN (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PO
> > (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PP (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PQ
> > (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PR (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PS
> > (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PT (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PU
> > (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PV (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PW
> > (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PX (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 GL RE (PCI),
> > ATI Rage 128 GL RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 VR
> > RK (PCI), ATI Rage 128 VR RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 4X SE (AGP?),
> > ATI Rage 128 4X SF (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 4X SG (AGP?),
> > ATI Rage 128 4X SH (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 4X SK (AGP?),
> > ATI Rage 128 4X SL (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 4X SM (AGP),
> > ATI Rage 128 4X SN (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TF (AGP),
> > ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TR
> > (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TS (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA
> > TT (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TU (AGP?)
> > (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ
> > (AGP/PCI), ATI ES1000 515E (PCI), ATI ES1000 5969 (PCI),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP),
> > ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7 LX (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ
> > (AGP), ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136, ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336,
> > ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137,
> > ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337,
> > ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237, ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP
> > 4437, ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BB (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BC (AGP), ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP/PCI),
> > ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 9000/PRO If (AGP/PCI),
> > ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP/PCI), ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9) Ld
> > (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lf (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lg (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon 9100 IGP (A5) 5834,
> > ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 IGP (U3) 5835, ATI Radeon 9100 PRO IGP
> > 7834, ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 IGP 7835, ATI Radeon 9200PRO 5960
> > (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5962 (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP), ATI FireMV 2200 (PCI),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C61 (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C63 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AD
> > (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX AF (AGP),
> > ATI FireGL Z1 AG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 NF (AGP),
> > ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon 9600SE AQ (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600XT AR (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon 9600 AS (AGP), ATI FireGL T2 AT (AGP),
> > ATI FireGL RV360 AV (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 (M10/M11) NP (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NQ (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11) NR (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NS (AGP),
> > ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10) NT (AGP),
> > ATI FireGL Mobility T2e (M11) NV (AGP), ATI Radeon 9650,
> > ATI Radeon 9800SE AH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AI (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon 9800 AJ (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 AK (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 NI (AGP),
> > ATI FireGL X2 NK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800XT NJ (AGP),
> > ATI Radeon X600 (RV380) 3E50 (PCIE),
> > ATI FireGL V3200 (RV380) 3E54 (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility X600 (M24) 3150 (PCIE),
> > ATI FireGL M24 GL 3154 (PCIE), ATI Radeon X300 (RV370) 5B60
> > (PCIE), ATI Radeon X600 (RV370) 5B62 (PCIE),
> > ATI FireGL V3100 (RV370) 5B64 (PCIE),
> > ATI FireGL D1100 (RV370) 5B65 (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon Mobility M300 (M22) 5460 (PCIE),
> > ATI FireGL M22 GL 5464 (PCIE), ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5A41
> > (PCIE), ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5A42 (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5A61 (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5A62 (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5954 (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5974 (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5975 (PCIE), ATI FireGL V5000 (RV410)
> > (PCIE), ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 (M26) (PCIE),
> > ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 (M26) (PCIE),
> > ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26) (PCIE),
> > ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26) (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X700 PRO (RV410) (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X700 XT (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X700 (RV410)
> > (PCIE), ATI Radeon X700 SE (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X700 SE
> > (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JH (AGP), ATI Radeon
> > X800PRO (R420) JI (AGP), ATI Radeon X800SE (R420) JJ (AGP), ATI
> > Radeon X800 (R420) JK (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JL (AGP), ATI
> > FireGL X3 (R420) JM (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9800 (M18) JN
> > (AGP), ATI Radeon X800XT (R420) JP (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 SE
> > (R420) (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 (R423) UH (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X800PRO (R423) UI (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X800LE (R423) UJ (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X800SE (R423) UK (PCIE),
> > ATI FireGL V7200 (R423) UQ (PCIE), ATI FireGL V5100 (R423) UR
> > (PCIE), ATI FireGL V7100 (R423) UT (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X800XT (R423) 5D57 (PCIE), ATI FireGL V7100 (R423)
> > (PCIE), ATI Mobility FireGL V5100 (M28) (PCIE),
> > ATI Mobility Radeon X800 (M28) (PCIE),
> > ATI Mobility Radeon X800 XT (M28) (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X800 (R430) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 XL (R430) (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X800 SE (R430) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 XTP (R430)
> > (PCIE), ATI Radeon X850 5D4C (PCIE), ATI Radeon FireGL (R480) GL
> > 5D50 (PCIE), ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X850
> > PRO (R480) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480) (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (R480) (PCIE),
> > ATI Radeon X850 PRO (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480)
> > (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 XT PE
> > (R480) (AGP) (II) ATI: Candidate "Device" section "ATI Technologies,
> > Inc. RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]". (--) Chipset ATI Radeon 9200PRO 5960
> > (AGP) found (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon 9200PRO 5960 (AGP)"
> > (ChipID = 0x5960)
> >
> >
> > > > Right now I doubt if that is possible...
> >
> > ..I use Debian Sid, works here, if slowly. ;o)
> >
> > > > I've looked through many formus (including this one), tried
> > > > various drivers (both xorg and at), I have already given up
> > > > running other GL applications (such as celestia). I just only
> > > > want Flight Gear and for this reason I'm writing to this mailing
> > > > list.
> >
> > ..you need OpenGL running first. Any OpenGL will help you diagnose
> > your OpenGL problem.
> > 'lspci -vvvvv' , glxinfo, dmesg and the logs gives you a few hints.
> >
> > > > I do not ask for generic help, a lot about this has been written
> > > > on this form as well as others and that is good. I am just
> > > > looking for person that has Radeon 9000, runs Flight Gear on
> > > > linux and is happy with it. Are you there? I will be glad to
> > > > share my experience on this subject.
> > > >
> > > > thanks in advance for any feedback,
> > > >
> > > > Bartek
> > > >
> > > Have you already tried the ati-driver ebuild? The ATI Site states
> > > the drivers are for Radeon8500 and higher. I used them on my ATI
> > > equipped Notebook. Flightgear ran fine there.
> > >
> > > There is a Howto at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ATI_Drivers
> >
> > ..and there are good running binaries on any Debian install mirror.
> > "unstable" and "experimental" are stable enough for my FG box.
> >
> > --
> > ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
> > ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
> > Scenarios always come in sets of three:
> > best case, worst case, and just in case.
> >
> >
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