Innis Cunningham wrote:
> Hi Josh
> 
>   Josh Babcock writes
>> Innis Cunningham wrote:
>>>
>>> Josh Babcock writes
>>>> Innis Cunningham wrote:
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Josh Babcock writes
>>>>>> Jeremy Santizo wrote:
>>>>>>> can anyone tell me what's pitot heat and if that reallly work on
>>>> planes?
>>>>>> Where can I find the procedures for programing the cessna 172's  NAV
>>>> panel
>>>>>> (in the 2D panel model)?
>>>>>> Pitot heat prevents pitot tube icing in icing conditions. If that 
>> were
>>>>>> to happen, the air speed indicator would cease functioning.
>>>>> More serious than cease to function.It starts to work as an
>>>> altimetre.I.E
>>>>> the higher you
>>>>> fly the faster you appear to go.Resulted in the loss of a 727 some 
>> years
>>>>> back.Also resulted
>>>>> in the loss of a commercial jet liner,cant remember what type,when the
>>>>> static ports were
>>>>> left taped over after aircraft cleaning.Dont know if the loss of pitot
>>>> or
>>>>> static is modelled
>>>>> in FG
>>>>>
>>>> Ah, another reason to have an AoA readout. Those carrier pilots know
>>>> where it's at.
>>> Well in the case of the 727 they had both the stall warning and the
>>> overspeed
>>> warning going off at the same time so what do you beleave.That the stall
>>> warning
>>> is correct and lower the nose and risk ripping the aircraft apart with
>>> overspeed or
>>> that the ASI is correct and continue to pull the nose up making a worse
>>> situation
>>> untill, in a tail engined aircraft,you enter what is called a super 
>> stall
>>> for which the
>>> pilot  has only one recourse and that is to stick his head between his 
>> legs
>>> and kiss
>>> his a---- goodbye.In this case the pilots choose the later which cost 
>> them
>>> there
>>> lives.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Innis
>>>
>> I would tend to believe the AoA meter if it matched what my gyro and
>> eyeballs were telling me. It's hard to get your airspeed that way
>> though. Is the superstall that you mention a case of flying at full
>> power on the back side of the lift curve? I have heard stories of GA
>> planes stuck in that position.
> 
> No it occures when the AoA becomes so great as that the wings block
> airflow over the elevators hence no pitch control so the aircraft falls
> backwards out of the sky.So serious is the problem that most commercial
> tail engined aircraft have a stick pusher that lowers the nose when the
> aircraft is entering a dangerous attitude.
> With the 727 they actually had the throttles at idle.You would think they
> would have tweeked that something was wrong that the aircraft was still
> increasing speed even though they had the throttles at idle and the aircraft
> in a climb.
> 
Task saturation. I know the problem you are talking about. It's why I'm
not a fan of T tails.

Josh

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