i think that our discussion become more and more polemic. the mixing of the austrian
"problem" (fact is that more than 25 % of the austrians are pro haider - so it was a
democratic act!) with the accepting social work is strange... but to clear this fact
for
the fluxlisters:
i think it's poor to discuss the fact viewing only the few failed attemps - it sounds
like the discussion of a yellow press. this socializing program in germany is very
powerful and important i think. i was working together with young turkish people for
over
a year, being part of an international research group for intercultural education in
the
european union - and the "right wing" adolescence problem is the other side of this
coin.
it is a fact that not all right-wing young people are linked with them, especially in
east
germany. this program is the only other option (the other is prison) - and i believe
that
an education linked with strenght and violence is the worst way. and - i know also
youth
centres with "mixed" visitors!
mixing dialogue with candle light chains is poor too - we've changed a very lot by
discussions and dialogues. i think that the enviroment-consciousness is a fact from
dialogues (i know that the german green party is another now, but... please remind,
beuys
was one of the mental founder!), also the rights of children are a fact today (even not
for all). so i believe that there is a chance. and this chance is not too small.
ernest, maybe we should kill the right-wing people (to be on this discussion level)!?
Ernest Lergon schrieb:
> Marc Schulz und Christina Ohlhus wrote:
> >
> > Regarding Michel Foucault prisons doesn't make any sense... regarding Niklas
>Luhmann
> > entering an autopietic system destroy it because you're destroying their inner
>logic
> > they need for life... I'm against any kind of violence - physical or mental. And
>I'm
> > with Joseph Beuys, Robert Filliou and all other Fluxists who are saying that you
> > can't change the world by violence - only by dialogue.
> >
> > PS: This argumentation line of "stop understanding" is the same as the right-winged
> > people are using... it's time to stop letting foreign people come in, it's time to
> > stop tolerating that all foreign people are getting our jobs, it's time... sorry
> > Ernest, I don't believe that your are one of those bad guys, but choose your words
> > carefully.
> >
> Yes, I'll do that:
>
> Concerning political power:
>
> Candle-light chains do NOT change anything!
> Elections do NOT change anything!
> Dialoges do NOT change anything!
>
> If they would, they were prohibited!
>
> An example:
>
> In Germany we have an awful service called "accepting social work with
> adolescents". That means, that skinheads etc. should not be isolated but
> integrated in youth centres. But - o wonder - in those centres you'll
> never find any punk, hippie, rasta, anarchist etc. because they all were
> expelled by the "tolerated" and "accepted" right-wing youth groups - in
> most cases by violence. Moreover, these groups use the centre rooms to plan
> the next assault on an immegrant, the next neo-nazi demonstration, the
> next bomb-attack and so on!
>
> And the best: this service is provided mostly in left-wing ruled areas!
>
> So where does this "tolerance" lead to?
>
> This kind of willingness for dialogues presented us with a so-called
> left-ecological "green" party ("Die Gr�nen"), whose foreign minister
> supports the repeat of the german attack war against Yugoslavia, whose
> police chief protects radiating nuclear transports against ten-thousands
> of demonstrators, whose municipal councillors tightens the regulations
> of social welfare assistance (or of that, what is left over) and more.
>
> So, it's time to stop understanding!
>
> Ernest Lergon
>
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