I know Allan Kaprow adressed this in the John Cage Anthology ed by Richard Konstalenetz. I remeber him saying something to the effect of JC was irritated with the tack that Kaprow and Hansen took in creating scores and perfomances, and he joked that he would accept no more students whose names started with "AL" because of it.
or something like that. I don't have the anthology any more, but it should be easy to find thru inter library loan. Alex NP: John Fahey - Bean Vine Blues >From: Lisa Moren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #58 >Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:03:51 -0500 > > > I have a question... > > > > 1. Ben Vautier said that John Cage was critical to the development of >Fluxus. > > > > 2. Dick Higgins was of the opinion that Ben exaggerated this influence >too > > much. > > > > 3. From my research, I show that John Cage taught at > > the New School for Social Research > > from 1956 to 1960. I only find that he taught the > > Experimental Music Class from 1958 - 1960. > > > > 4. Some of the soon to be members of Fluxus > > were enrolled in that class. > > Others were invited in by Cage to do a performance or two. > > > > 5. The people I can find associated with the class (who were in Fluxus) >were: > > > > Jackson Mac Low > > George Brecht > > Allan Kaprow > > Al Hansen > > Dick Higgins > > Toshi Ichiyanagi > > La Monte Young > > Jim Dine > > > > Question: Is this list complete? > > Which were actual students of the class and which were invited >performers? > >I thought some were invited to take and retake the class, to keep the >interesting momentum going. > > > > > > In the opinion of anyone who cares to respond, > > how much influence did this class have on the > > later development of Fluxus? > > > > Thanks, > > Pedro > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:37:31 +0100 > > From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div > > > > roger, > > > > i saw gong a few years back in sunderland of all places, had the good > > fortune to have a little chat with daevid allen. > > > > you thunk right, he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully 'english' way > > > > he sold me a camembert electrique t shirt - clever man, it was >horrible! > > > > gong are playing this wednesday near treviso, just up the road. and we >have > > a table booked in venice for my girlfriends birthday.... > > > > ...could be the end of a beautiful relationship! > > > > the damned are playing on thursday too!! > > > > alanx > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:41:14 +0100 > > From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: "Ten Thousand Words on the Internet" Alan Bowman >2001 > > > > that's very worrying zap! > > > > btw he also made a blatant typo too > > > > we'll fix it soon(ish) > > > > fffo10000wdiv > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:59:58 -0800 (PST) > > From: Rod Stasick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div > > > > - --- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully > > > 'english' way > > > > speaking of "off (the) trolley": > > > > last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly > > Cool" > > > > (repeat this wednesday night) > > > > +r > > > > np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..." > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:10:10 -0700 > > From: Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool" > > > > Which network please? > > > > At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > > >--- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully > > > > 'english' way > > > > > >speaking of "off (the) trolley": > > > > > >last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly > > >Cool" > > > > > >(repeat this wednesday night) > > > > > >+r > > > > > >np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..." > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:14:48 -0800 (PST) > > From: Rod Stasick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool" > > > > oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA). > > They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python > > ('74?), so maybe that says something about them... > > > > r > > > > np: joe williams: "what are you doing new years eve?" > > > > - --- Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Which network please? > > > > > > At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > >--- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully > > > > > 'english' way > > > > > > > >speaking of "off (the) trolley": > > > > > > > >last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly > > > >Cool" > > > > > > > >(repeat this wednesday night) > > > > > > > >+r > > > > > > > >np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..." > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:32:33 -0700 > > From: Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool" > > > > I found it, playing Dec. 10th here locally. > > Thanks a million, haven't seen them perform in years. > > > > At 11:14 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > > >oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA). > > >They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python > > >('74?), so maybe that says something about them... > > > > > >r > > > > > >np: joe williams: "what are you doing new years eve?" > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Which network please? > > > > > > > > At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >--- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully > > > > > > 'english' way > > > > > > > > > >speaking of "off (the) trolley": > > > > > > > > > >last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly > > > > >Cool" > > > > > > > > > >(repeat this wednesday night) > > > > > > > > > >+r > > > > > > > > > >np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..." > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > > > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:06:04 -0500 > > From: "Don Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: does fluxus exist? a simplistic approach... > > > > Owen, Do have an address for Barbara Moore? Art metrople? Thanks, -Don > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:49:15 -0800 (PST) > > From: { brad brace } <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: FLUXLIST: ripples in the upsidedown lake of the void > > > > _______ _ __ ___ _ > > |__ __| | /_ |__ \| | > > | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ > > | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| > > | | | | | | __/ | |/ /_| | | | | > > |_| |_| |_|\___| |_|____|_| |_|_| > > _____ _____ ____ _ _ _ _____ ______ _____ > > |_ _|/ ____| _ \| \ | | | | __ \| ____/ ____| > > | | | (___ | |_) | \| |______ | | |__) | |__ | | __ > > | | \___ \| _ <| . ` |______| | | ___/| __|| | |_ | > > _| |_ ____) | |_) | |\ | | |__| | | | |___| |__| | > > |_____|_____/|____/|_| \_| \____/|_| |______\_____| > > > > | __ \ (_) | | > > | |__) | __ ___ _ ___ ___| |_ > > | ___/ '__/ _ \| |/ _ \/ __| __| > > | | | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ > > |_| |_| \___/| |\___|\___|\__| > > _/ | > > |__/ > > > > > > > > Synopsis: The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project began December 30, 1994. A > > `round-the-clock posting of sequenced hypermodern imagery from Brad >Brace. > > The hypermodern minimizes the familiar, the known, the recognizable; it > > suspends identity, relations and history. This discourse, far from > > determining the locus in which it speaks, is avoiding the ground on >which > > it could find support. It is trying to operate a decentering that leaves > > no privilege to any center. > > > > The 12-hour ISBN JPEG Project > > ----------------------------- > > began December 30, 1994 > > > > Pointless Hypermodern Imagery... posted/mailed every 12 hours... a > > spectral, trajective alignment for the 00`s! A continuum of minimalist > > masks in the face of catastrophe; conjuring up transformative metaphors > > for the everyday... A poetic reversibility of exclusive events... > > > > A post-rhetorical, continuous, apparently random sequence of > > imagery... genuine gritty, greyscale... corruptable, compact, > > collectable and compelling convergence. The voluptuousness of the grey > > imminence: the art of making the other disappear. Continual visual >impact; > > an optical drumming, sculpted in duration, on the endless present of the > > Net. > > > > An extension of the printed ISBN-Book (0-9690745) series... critically > > unassimilable... imagery is gradually acquired, selected and >re-sequenced > > over time... ineluctable, vertiginous connections. The 12hr dialtone... > > > > [ see ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/books.txt >] > > > > KEYWORDS: >> Disconnected, disjunctive, distended, de-centered, > > de-composed, ambiguous, augmented, ambilavent, homogeneous, >reckless... > > >> Multi-faceted, oblique, obsessive, obscure, obdurate... > > >> Promulgated, personal, permeable, prolonged, polymorphous, >provocative, > > poetic, plural, perverse, potent, prophetic, pathological, >pointless... > > >> Emergent, evolving, eccentric, eclectic, egregious, exciting, > > entertaining, evasive, entropic, erotic, entrancing, enduring, > > expansive... > > > > Every 12 hours, another!... view them, re-post `em, save `em, > > trade `em, print `em, even publish them... > > > > Here`s how: > > > > (Note: all "Teleport" addresses (web/ftp/email) have been eliminated: no > > thanks to Earthlink scum. Please choose alternates listed below:) > > > > ~ Set www-links to -> http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/12hr.html > > -> http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/12hr.html > > > > Look for the 12-hr-icon. Heavy traffic may require you to specify >files > > more than once! Anarchie, Fetch, CuteFTP, TurboGopher... > > > > ~ Download from -> ftp.pacifier.com /pub/users/bbrace > > Download from -> ftp.idiom.com /users/bbrace > > Download from -> ftp.rdrop.com /pub/users/bbrace > > Download from -> ftp.eskimo.com /u/b/bbrace > > * Remember to set tenex or binary. Get 12hr.jpeg > > > > ~ E-mail -> If you only have access to email, then you can use FTPmail >to > > do essentially the same thing. Send a message with a body of 'help' to >the > > server address nearest you: > > * > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * * > > > > ~ Mirror-sites requested! Archives too! > > The latest new jpeg will always be named, 12hr.jpeg > > Average size of images is only 45K. > > * > > Perl program to mirror ftp-sites/sub-directories: > > src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/mirror > > * > > > > ~ Postings to usenet newsgroups: > > alt.12hr > > alt.binaries.pictures.12hr > > alt.binaries.pictures.misc > > alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc > > > > * * Ask your system's news-administrator to carry these groups! > > (There are also usenet image browsers: TIFNY, PluckIt, Picture Agent, > > PictureView, Extractor97, NewsRover, Binary News Assistant, >EasyNews) > > > > ~ This interminable, relentless sequence of imagery began in earnest on > > December 30, 1994. The basic structure of the project has been over > > twenty-four years in the making. While the specific sequence of > > photographs has been presently orchestrated for more than 12 years` >worth > > of 12-hour postings, I will undoubtedly be tempted to tweak the ongoing > > publication with additional new interjected imagery. Each 12-hour >posting > > is like the turning of a page; providing ample time for reflection, > > interruption, and assimilation. > > > > ~ The sites listed above also contain information on other cultural > > projects and sources. > > > > ~ A very low-volume, moderated mailing list for announcements and > > occasional commentary related to this project has been established at > > topica.com /subscribe 12hr-isbn-jpeg > > > > - -- > > This project has not received government art-subsidies. Some > > opportunities still exist for financially assisting the publication of > > editions of large (33x46") prints; perhaps (Iris giclees) inkjet >duotones > > or extended-black quadtones. Other supporters receive rare copies of the > > first three web-offset printed ISBN-Books. Contributions can also be >made > > at http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html > > > > - -- > > ISBN is International Standard Book Number. JPEG and GIF are types of > > image files. Get the text-file, 'pictures-faq' to learn how to view or > > translate these images. [ftp ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/] > > > > - -- > > (c) Credit appreciated. Copyleft > > 1994,1995,1996,1997,1998,1999,2000,2001 > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:51:07 -0000 > > From: "Sol Nte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: NP lists > > > > Rod wrote regarding NP lists : > > > > >Oh, I think it was Sol's idea, but I've seen it on other lists > > (including "otherlist").< > > > > Actually it was Alex Cook's idea and a fine one to boot. > > > > cheers, > > > > Sol. > > - ------------------------------- > > NP: Turtle Mendoza - Ave Garcia > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:29:18 -0000 > > From: "Roger Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: sublet in a beautiful firehouse!] > > > > Are these attachments from the princess safe to open? > > > > love > > Paranoid Percy > > > > NP > > > > Cruising through my George Harrison albums > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:16:03 -0800 > > From: Patricia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: sublet in a beautiful firehouse!] > > > > Dear P. Percy: > > > > Yes indeedy. Our emails be being virus free!!! > > > > XXOO > > P. R. & V > > > > Roger Stevens wrote: > > > > > Are these attachments from the princess safe to open? > > > > > > love > > > Paranoid Percy > > > > > > NP > > > > > > Cruising through my George Harrison albums > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of FLUXLIST-digest V3 #58 > > ***************************** > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
