Alex,
Lucky I found a used copy for sale on Amazon.
Thanks very much for the reference.
Title: Writings of John Cage by Richard Kostelanetz
Pedro
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Alex Cook wrote:
> I know Allan Kaprow adressed this in the John Cage Anthology ed by Richard
> Konstalenetz. I remeber him saying something to the effect of JC was
> irritated with the tack that Kaprow and Hansen took in creating scores and
> perfomances, and he joked that he would accept no more students whose names
> started with "AL" because of it.
>
> or something like that. I don't have the anthology any more, but it should
> be easy to find thru inter library loan.
>
> Alex
> NP: John Fahey - Bean Vine Blues
>
>
>
> >From: Lisa Moren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #58
> >Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:03:51 -0500
> >
> > > I have a question...
> > >
> > > 1. Ben Vautier said that John Cage was critical to the development of
> >Fluxus.
> > >
> > > 2. Dick Higgins was of the opinion that Ben exaggerated this influence
> >too
> > > much.
> > >
> > > 3. From my research, I show that John Cage taught at
> > > the New School for Social Research
> > > from 1956 to 1960. I only find that he taught the
> > > Experimental Music Class from 1958 - 1960.
> > >
> > > 4. Some of the soon to be members of Fluxus
> > > were enrolled in that class.
> > > Others were invited in by Cage to do a performance or two.
> > >
> > > 5. The people I can find associated with the class (who were in Fluxus)
> >were:
> > >
> > > Jackson Mac Low
> > > George Brecht
> > > Allan Kaprow
> > > Al Hansen
> > > Dick Higgins
> > > Toshi Ichiyanagi
> > > La Monte Young
> > > Jim Dine
> > >
> > > Question: Is this list complete?
> > > Which were actual students of the class and which were invited
> >performers?
> >
> >I thought some were invited to take and retake the class, to keep the
> >interesting momentum going.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > In the opinion of anyone who cares to respond,
> > > how much influence did this class have on the
> > > later development of Fluxus?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Pedro
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:37:31 +0100
> > > From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div
> > >
> > > roger,
> > >
> > > i saw gong a few years back in sunderland of all places, had the good
> > > fortune to have a little chat with daevid allen.
> > >
> > > you thunk right, he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully 'english' way
> > >
> > > he sold me a camembert electrique t shirt - clever man, it was
> >horrible!
> > >
> > > gong are playing this wednesday near treviso, just up the road. and we
> >have
> > > a table booked in venice for my girlfriends birthday....
> > >
> > > ...could be the end of a beautiful relationship!
> > >
> > > the damned are playing on thursday too!!
> > >
> > > alanx
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:41:14 +0100
> > > From: "alan bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: "Ten Thousand Words on the Internet" Alan Bowman
> >2001
> > >
> > > that's very worrying zap!
> > >
> > > btw he also made a blatant typo too
> > >
> > > we'll fix it soon(ish)
> > >
> > > fffo10000wdiv
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:59:58 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: Rod Stasick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: FFFO Competitions Div
> > >
> > > - --- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
> > > > 'english' way
> > >
> > > speaking of "off (the) trolley":
> > >
> > > last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
> > > Cool"
> > >
> > > (repeat this wednesday night)
> > >
> > > +r
> > >
> > > np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..."
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping.
> > > http://shopping.yahoo.com
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:10:10 -0700
> > > From: Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool"
> > >
> > > Which network please?
> > >
> > > At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >--- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
> > > > > 'english' way
> > > >
> > > >speaking of "off (the) trolley":
> > > >
> > > >last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
> > > >Cool"
> > > >
> > > >(repeat this wednesday night)
> > > >
> > > >+r
> > > >
> > > >np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..."
> > > >
> > > >__________________________________________________
> > > >Do You Yahoo!?
> > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping.
> > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:14:48 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: Rod Stasick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool"
> > >
> > > oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA).
> > > They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python
> > > ('74?), so maybe that says something about them...
> > >
> > > r
> > >
> > > np: joe williams: "what are you doing new years eve?"
> > >
> > > - --- Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Which network please?
> > > >
> > > > At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > > > >--- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
> > > > > > 'english' way
> > > > >
> > > > >speaking of "off (the) trolley":
> > > > >
> > > > >last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
> > > > >Cool"
> > > > >
> > > > >(repeat this wednesday night)
> > > > >
> > > > >+r
> > > > >
> > > > >np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..."
> > > > >
> > > > >__________________________________________________
> > > > >Do You Yahoo!?
> > > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping.
> > > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping.
> > > http://shopping.yahoo.com
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:32:33 -0700
> > > From: Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly Cool"
> > >
> > > I found it, playing Dec. 10th here locally.
> > > Thanks a million, haven't seen them perform in years.
> > >
> > > At 11:14 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >oh, it's just our local PBS station here in Dallas (KERA).
> > > >They *were* the first in the nation to broadcast Monty Python
> > > >('74?), so maybe that says something about them...
> > > >
> > > >r
> > > >
> > > >np: joe williams: "what are you doing new years eve?"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Which network please?
> > > > >
> > > > > At 10:59 AM 12/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > > > > >--- alan bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > he is off his trolley - in a wonderfully
> > > > > > > 'english' way
> > > > > >
> > > > > >speaking of "off (the) trolley":
> > > > > >
> > > > > >last night on TV: a showing of "Firesign Theatre: Weirdly
> > > > > >Cool"
> > > > > >
> > > > > >(repeat this wednesday night)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >+r
> > > > > >
> > > > > >np: joe williams: let it snow, let it snow..."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >__________________________________________________
> > > > > >Do You Yahoo!?
> > > > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping.
> > > > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >__________________________________________________
> > > >Do You Yahoo!?
> > > >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping.
> > > >http://shopping.yahoo.com
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:06:04 -0500
> > > From: "Don Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: does fluxus exist? a simplistic approach...
> > >
> > > Owen, Do have an address for Barbara Moore? Art metrople? Thanks, -Don
> > >
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:49:15 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: { brad brace } <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: FLUXLIST: ripples in the upsidedown lake of the void
> > >
> > > _______ _ __ ___ _
> > > |__ __| | /_ |__ \| |
> > > | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __
> > > | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__|
> > > | | | | | | __/ | |/ /_| | | | |
> > > |_| |_| |_|\___| |_|____|_| |_|_|
> > > _____ _____ ____ _ _ _ _____ ______ _____
> > > |_ _|/ ____| _ \| \ | | | | __ \| ____/ ____|
> > > | | | (___ | |_) | \| |______ | | |__) | |__ | | __
> > > | | \___ \| _ <| . ` |______| | | ___/| __|| | |_ |
> > > _| |_ ____) | |_) | |\ | | |__| | | | |___| |__| |
> > > |_____|_____/|____/|_| \_| \____/|_| |______\_____|
> > >
> > > | __ \ (_) | |
> > > | |__) | __ ___ _ ___ ___| |_
> > > | ___/ '__/ _ \| |/ _ \/ __| __|
> > > | | | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_
> > > |_| |_| \___/| |\___|\___|\__|
> > > _/ |
> > > |__/
> > >
> > > > > > > Synopsis: The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project began December 30, 1994. A
> > > `round-the-clock posting of sequenced hypermodern imagery from Brad
> >Brace.
> > > The hypermodern minimizes the familiar, the known, the recognizable; it
> > > suspends identity, relations and history. This discourse, far from
> > > determining the locus in which it speaks, is avoiding the ground on
> >which
> > > it could find support. It is trying to operate a decentering that leaves
> > > no privilege to any center.
> > >
> > > The 12-hour ISBN JPEG Project
> > > -----------------------------
> > > began December 30, 1994
> > >
> > > Pointless Hypermodern Imagery... posted/mailed every 12 hours... a
> > > spectral, trajective alignment for the 00`s! A continuum of minimalist
> > > masks in the face of catastrophe; conjuring up transformative metaphors
> > > for the everyday... A poetic reversibility of exclusive events...
> > >
> > > A post-rhetorical, continuous, apparently random sequence of
> > > imagery... genuine gritty, greyscale... corruptable, compact,
> > > collectable and compelling convergence. The voluptuousness of the grey
> > > imminence: the art of making the other disappear. Continual visual
> >impact;
> > > an optical drumming, sculpted in duration, on the endless present of the
> > > Net.
> > >
> > > An extension of the printed ISBN-Book (0-9690745) series... critically
> > > unassimilable... imagery is gradually acquired, selected and
> >re-sequenced
> > > over time... ineluctable, vertiginous connections. The 12hr dialtone...
> > >
> > > [ see ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/books.txt
> >]
> > >
> > > KEYWORDS: >> Disconnected, disjunctive, distended, de-centered,
> > > de-composed, ambiguous, augmented, ambilavent, homogeneous,
> >reckless...
> > > >> Multi-faceted, oblique, obsessive, obscure, obdurate...
> > > >> Promulgated, personal, permeable, prolonged, polymorphous,
> >provocative,
> > > poetic, plural, perverse, potent, prophetic, pathological,
> >pointless...
> > > >> Emergent, evolving, eccentric, eclectic, egregious, exciting,
> > > entertaining, evasive, entropic, erotic, entrancing, enduring,
> > > expansive...
> > >
> > > Every 12 hours, another!... view them, re-post `em, save `em,
> > > trade `em, print `em, even publish them...
> > >
> > > Here`s how:
> > >
> > > (Note: all "Teleport" addresses (web/ftp/email) have been eliminated: no
> > > thanks to Earthlink scum. Please choose alternates listed below:)
> > >
> > > ~ Set www-links to -> http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/12hr.html
> > > -> http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/12hr.html
> > >
> > > Look for the 12-hr-icon. Heavy traffic may require you to specify
> >files
> > > more than once! Anarchie, Fetch, CuteFTP, TurboGopher...
> > >
> > > ~ Download from -> ftp.pacifier.com /pub/users/bbrace
> > > Download from -> ftp.idiom.com /users/bbrace
> > > Download from -> ftp.rdrop.com /pub/users/bbrace
> > > Download from -> ftp.eskimo.com /u/b/bbrace
> > > * Remember to set tenex or binary. Get 12hr.jpeg
> > >
> > > ~ E-mail -> If you only have access to email, then you can use FTPmail
> >to
> > > do essentially the same thing. Send a message with a body of 'help' to
> >the
> > > server address nearest you:
> > > *
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > * *
> > >
> > > ~ Mirror-sites requested! Archives too!
> > > The latest new jpeg will always be named, 12hr.jpeg
> > > Average size of images is only 45K.
> > > *
> > > Perl program to mirror ftp-sites/sub-directories:
> > > src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/mirror
> > > *
> > >
> > > ~ Postings to usenet newsgroups:
> > > alt.12hr
> > > alt.binaries.pictures.12hr
> > > alt.binaries.pictures.misc
> > > alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc
> > >
> > > * * Ask your system's news-administrator to carry these groups!
> > > (There are also usenet image browsers: TIFNY, PluckIt, Picture Agent,
> > > PictureView, Extractor97, NewsRover, Binary News Assistant,
> >EasyNews)
> > >
> > > ~ This interminable, relentless sequence of imagery began in earnest on
> > > December 30, 1994. The basic structure of the project has been over
> > > twenty-four years in the making. While the specific sequence of
> > > photographs has been presently orchestrated for more than 12 years`
> >worth
> > > of 12-hour postings, I will undoubtedly be tempted to tweak the ongoing
> > > publication with additional new interjected imagery. Each 12-hour
> >posting
> > > is like the turning of a page; providing ample time for reflection,
> > > interruption, and assimilation.
> > >
> > > ~ The sites listed above also contain information on other cultural
> > > projects and sources.
> > >
> > > ~ A very low-volume, moderated mailing list for announcements and
> > > occasional commentary related to this project has been established at
> > > topica.com /subscribe 12hr-isbn-jpeg
> > >
> > > - --
> > > This project has not received government art-subsidies. Some
> > > opportunities still exist for financially assisting the publication of
> > > editions of large (33x46") prints; perhaps (Iris giclees) inkjet
> >duotones
> > > or extended-black quadtones. Other supporters receive rare copies of the
> > > first three web-offset printed ISBN-Books. Contributions can also be
> >made
> > > at http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html
> > >
> > > - --
> > > ISBN is International Standard Book Number. JPEG and GIF are types of
> > > image files. Get the text-file, 'pictures-faq' to learn how to view or
> > > translate these images. [ftp ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/]
> > >
> > > - --
> > > (c) Credit appreciated. Copyleft
> > > 1994,1995,1996,1997,1998,1999,2000,2001
> > >
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:51:07 -0000
> > > From: "Sol Nte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: NP lists
> > >
> > > Rod wrote regarding NP lists :
> > >
> > > >Oh, I think it was Sol's idea, but I've seen it on other lists
> > > (including "otherlist").<
> > >
> > > Actually it was Alex Cook's idea and a fine one to boot.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > Sol.
> > > - -------------------------------
> > > NP: Turtle Mendoza - Ave Garcia
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:29:18 -0000
> > > From: "Roger Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: sublet in a beautiful firehouse!]
> > >
> > > Are these attachments from the princess safe to open?
> > >
> > > love
> > > Paranoid Percy
> > >
> > > NP
> > >
> > > Cruising through my George Harrison albums
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:16:03 -0800
> > > From: Patricia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: [Fwd: sublet in a beautiful firehouse!]
> > >
> > > Dear P. Percy:
> > >
> > > Yes indeedy. Our emails be being virus free!!!
> > >
> > > XXOO
> > > P. R. & V
> > >
> > > Roger Stevens wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are these attachments from the princess safe to open?
> > > >
> > > > love
> > > > Paranoid Percy
> > > >
> > > > NP
> > > >
> > > > Cruising through my George Harrison albums
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > End of FLUXLIST-digest V3 #58
> > > *****************************
> >
>
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