On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Bertrand Clavez wrote: > Shit happens sometimes.
No dearest. Humans attempting to damage others is not 'shit happens'. Humans attempting to appropriate another's capacity for autonomous, individual, conscious, volitional ACTION (an aspect of which is ARTISTIC CREATIVITY) is not 'shit happens'. Is this an art-related list or not? Pardon me if we got it wrong, but fluxus, like similar art movements of the sort evolved out of the conscious awareness of others to encourage_ the audience to PARTICIPATE and DEVELOP ITS OWN CREATIVITY, it's own VOICE and it's own VOLITION. This DOES NOT HAPPEN while you still have--for lack of better words-- shitheads whose 'performances' are based on degrading, energetically feeding off and otherwise destroying capable artists and members of the audience. > But this one seems quite private, No it isn't PRIVATE at all. It's quite PUBLIC. In fact Mr. McElroy doesn't KNOW US at all (he doesn't even know who he's speaking to). Secondly, what we are addressing is not a 'subjective' 'point of view' 'opinion' issue--avoid attempting to misrepresent it as such. And in fact it is an issue of PUBLIC awareness. An artist is a figure who acts in PUBLIC and has PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITY. Not any twit who fancies calling itself an 'artist' and using that as a pretext to abuse others is one--and that is_ part of the awareness of FLUXUS. Your myopic desire to close your eyes and turn your head the other way and pretend 'things are not happening.' But things ARE happening, and unfortunately these days there is a 'plague' of idiots who mistake the invitation to be 'artistic' as an invitation to be assholes at the energetic and well-being expense of their audience. This is very MUCH so a PUBLIC ISSUE with regards to ART. > and I don't see why it has to happen here. Said the darling while closing its eyes tight-tight. I sdon't wanna see, so there's nothing to see tra le la. Your failure to see--and abrogation of self-responsibility-- is your_ problem_. > Further, since Ken Friedman/Eric Andersen's flame, I thought those kind of > personal attacks were supposed to be bannished from the list. These are not "personal attacks". Avoid attempting to misrepresent what is going on. This is an accurate and precise reflection_ of what is going on. Lest you have forgotten FLUXUS and DADA maybe you should refresh your memory with regards to such, and namely the idea of ARTISTIC REVOLT against the mistreatment of humans. > I guess there's no way to avoid those posts (even if Tamas sometimes thinks > he's censored). > why not try something else? Avoid attempting to dictate our behavior. We are PERFECTLY capable of determining for OURSELVES what is APPROPRIATE for US to DO.
