Maintaining an active list is enough trouble without putting up with crap out of members who mostly just want to stir up shit all the time. This list needs to be a joy to be involved in and that means people need to maintain a respectful and open attitude. Those who can't BYE BYE. So I think the main thing is to keep the list in a state that the people who really want to be here need to have some consideration and be cooperative (up to a limit). Sure disagreements are going to come up but that is no excuse for being mean spirited and such individuals need to adjust themselves or find another group of idiots to bump on. Some states of consciousness can not be tolorated in a group environment - they are conditions that require solitude and if such individuals can not bring themselves to establish their own isolation while in such states then banishment must be imposed upon them. It is the merciful thing to do for the one and for all. cecil Freshdot.com Web Hosting Service Host 10 domains on one account for 12.95mo (USD) Freshdot Domain Name Registrations transfers $7.75 for .com, .net and .org - 8.75 for new .biz and .info http://web-hosting.freshdot.com/ Cecil Touchon: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:07 AM Subject: FLUXLIST: Kicking people out
> Dear Mr. Bukoff, > > I lurk more than I participate here, so I am not sure that I have the right > to speak. Even so, I want to ask for reconsideration on your decision to > remove Eric Andersen and St. Auby Tamas. I don't like them much, and my > research into Mr. Andersen's claims suggests that his statements to me were > dishonest, but that is no reason to expel either of them. > > I tend to write directly to people and I have had nice exchanges with other > list members and with some Fluxus artists and scholars who do not take part > in Fluxlist. My department and advisors think Fluxus is either 1) too > recent, 2) too silly, or 3) too unsuitable to an art history doctorate. I > will probably not do my doctoral work on Fluxus. Instead, I will probably > work on Alfred Jarry or possibly on early Dada. Even so, I hope to follow > Fluxus in the future. (For those who wonder who I am and where I study, I > want to say what I have explained in private correspondence. I had a very > bad experience with email identity theft a few years back. Someone I thought > I could trust created a very bad situation for me, and I am still troubled > by the effects. Because of this, I participate in lists through a pseudonym. > I give out no personal details to people I have not met in person. Since I > make no personal requests, I hope that people will respect my wish for > privacy.) > > I enjoy the discussions here. I'd like to see some historical reflections as > well. The vast majority of what I read is artists talking about their own > work. This interests me. I'd also like to see some of the historical > discussions that were among the reasons that were listed as reasons leading > you, Dick Higgins, Ken Friedman and the others to start the list in the > first place. > > Anyhow, I hope I'm not being too pushy in asking you to reconsider. Like and > dislike has nothing to do with it. From what I have seen, your opinions on > Mr. Andersen and Mr. Tamas are reasonable. I simply think that kicking them > off is harsh. > > Thank you for keeping this list active for those who want to participate ... > and thanks for trying to build a constructive atmosphere. I understand why > you acted as you did. My only thought here is to ask whether it will serve > the goals you hope to achieve. > > Sincerely, > > Jenny Sheldon > > p.s. Is it possible to arrange a working archive? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > >
