Re: FLUXLIST: Re: New subscription process not nice

[Bertrand Clavez]

René Girard's book (in french le Bouc émisaire) is worth reading (as many of Girard's books) but in fact what was underlined by the reaction I had, as I think it was the case with one of Tamas' lasts posts, is not the question of expelling this one or the other ( it became obvious at one point that the Death Monster had to be expelled), it's the way it have been done: Tamas proposed to vote the expulsions (as he always asked for before K. exclusion's in similar cases, as for Genius 2000 if I remember well) and note to leave to a solely decider, even someone as ponderate and balanced as Allen is. This method has some obvious advantages: first, the decision is collective, so noone is to become the scapegoat for having taken it, second, it maintains a strong concern between the list members on what's happening on the list, third it avoids opinions to degenerate into personal flames by the collective control allowed through the vote. The list owners/administrators could easily count the votes (yes/no/abstention) and give the result, as anyone else on the list could do. I'm sure that the provocative and critical of expressing himself didn't facilitate the understanding of Tamas' opinion, but I would like to say that Tamas lives in Bulgary, is from a generation that endured the soviet socialism and the "democratic centralism"(which, as everyone knows, was anything but democratic), and have been active as an artist under these conditions. This is no excuse, but somehow, explains his attachment to a democratic way of taking decision. Why not try to develop his idea for the next exclusion(s)?   Bertrand   BTW, where is Joseph Y(v)es? I haven't read anything from him since K.'s exclusion. Did he resigned, or was expelled too? A listmember I've met a few days ago, thought K./Y(v)es could be the same person, playing a game on the list. Any clue about this possibility? Joseph, if you're still here, please, say something... And Armadill0 (apparently a resurgence of the Death monster, from the style used) was he expelled too? I missed that one, if his expulsion post came to the list.