Quoting Kathy Forer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > and black undertow. She was a bloodsucker and sought, or didn't seek > but effected, by an entropicizing presence and Joseph's (intentionally > or not) act of becoming her scapegoat/alter-ego, to deprive everyone of > a legitimate voice.
This is not what was happening. Loosing a legitimate voice (sans violence) is a self-inflicted misery and fear of such happening is an insecurity (note that this is an opinion derived through inner reflection and as such, since I do not KNOW ultimate truth, is probably subjective). joseph & donna www.electrichands.com joseph franklyn mcelroy corporate performance artist www.corporatepa.com go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm call me 646 279 2309 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER CUPCAKEKALEIDOSCOPE - send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Kathy Forer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 12:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > thanks to NONE of you folks I finally figured out how to attach others > > email to mine, another step to being less annoying. I have no idea > > what you mean about a scapegoat. All I know is that the nazis wanted > > things nice and clean and artists werent exactly included in that > > group-were they? The Church plays its game/ other groups and clubs > > play their games and if you dont want to play the game you start your > > own- I understand that, but since this is my game-or so I thought- I > > thought I could have an effect and/or a voice. So far I cant believe > > Bertrand and I are the only ones dubious- maybe we were always the > > last ones picked for kickball-madawg > > madawg, since you so effectively figured out how to quote/attach an > email, and the one you chose was mine, I suppose that makes me "batter > up" to try to elucidate, or more likely bowdlerize, what I said and > meant. > > The history of scapegoating is long and rich and you're picked on a > couple of the most grievously terrible incidences. A friend of mine, an > atheist son of Dutch missionaries, speaks of a theory about religion as > a system of scapegoating. There's a book about it, > http://tinyurl.com/45u9, "Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the > World," by Rene Girard, Michael Metteer (Translator), Stephen Bann > (Translator). > > I labeled the happening on the list by the zaphod 42 death kandy person > as an overt act of scapegoating. zaphod beetlebrox is a mass nemesis > and black undertow. She was a bloodsucker and sought, or didn't seek > but effected, by an entropicizing presence and Joseph's (intentionally > or not) act of becoming her scapegoat/alter-ego, to deprive everyone of > a legitimate voice. You'd say "the sky looks blue to me," and the > deathbot would reply "what can you little worm possibly know about the > sky?" Or, in reply to "deathbot, why aren't you my friend?" she might > answer, "how can you presume to know what friendship is about or > especially whether it is anything that would interest us?" and so on, > vastly more appositive. (I didn't follow it closely.) Provoked by very > little, Zaphod's deathbot slew people and made each one her scapegoat, > especially the chosen one, Joey. > > It seemed all a little game, "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy," without > the babelfish. > > Did you really want to play with Joseph and death kandi? You can email > them off-list and one or another might oblige for free, though > role-playing is always more fun in a public forum, and possibly likely > to get sinister in private. See if Eryk knows anything. > > If it's a game of kickball and someone slapping kicking an impudent > buddy upside the head, and everyone else starts to do the same, do you > still want to play? To become a head-kicker, perhaps worse, perhaps > better, but manipulated by a non-reactive substance? You'd learn about > yourself in the process, for sure, but maybe a lot of us on this list > just have decided that trail's been trod. Maybe we're tired. Maybe > we've forgotten or never knew how to play. Maybe not. At some point a > judgment is made. That doesn't mean it's a unilateral fascist judgment, > more a common law to protect the community. > > Were we "protected" from ourselves? Sunday Dec 15, "-IID42 Kandinskij > @27+" (A) sent first post 1:21 AM EST, Eryk Salvaggio (B) said he got > off the list at 2:07AM and A replied at 5:15 AM "Have a nice time?" At > 9:20 PM "joseph (yes)" aka "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e > [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]" (C) responded to A's response to B and we > were all suckered in, not really knowing what was some kind of private > joke or conceit. It degenerated rapidly. > > It's fine to appreciate anarchy and even practice it, but that doesn't > seem to be how fluxlist has defined itself. Fluxlist has worked on > developing to a certain small degree a "common standard or purpose," > which takes it out of the anarchy category-list. Maybe fluxus was more > anarchic <http://www.angelfire.com/ak4/Forum/Beats.html>, but they were > also more Zen. > > If they were politically anarchist, they were "idealistic anarchistic," > not "nihilistic anarchistic" as is Zaphod's death terminal Kandinskij > 42/27, karei. But the times are different as well. My personal choice > is for suspension, and for exile only in the event of something really > heinous. > > "And so, as Tiny Tim observed, God Bless Us, Every One!" > (or, if you prefer, "fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou, every one....") > > -- Kathy, who has zero fluxus credentials though I once served as list > admin dutifully in the summer of 2000 when nothing much happened except > 1. Error-message loops, 2. Mail queue loops, 3. Spit-back loops and > a few people having intractable subscription/unsubscription problems. > It was the summer my dog Sam got irrevocably ill and I couldn't make > him better no matter what I tried. And also Patricia being very > compassionate (about Sam and forwarding me about Rod's > "Calicodependency" and something about a lost sweater or scarf). > > I imagined sometimes Mr. Samuel was heartbroken having had to move from > living in the city and all his friends in Riverside Bark (as I missed > them, our play, talk, routines and doggie advice), and then that creepy > boarder dropped him on concrete and walked/dragged him too long for > even a huge spunky Boston Terrier. But it seemed he also had a brain > and spine disease, apparently degenerative, though no one could ever > really tell me for sure, that I realized later had been coming on > longer than was obvious. He was a little trooper, my beautiful Sam, the > bravest dog in all the world.
