The Little Lisper is one of my favorite computer books. I think it teaches the idea of Lisp, though without expounding on it.
Monty On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:33 AM, BGB <[email protected]> wrote: > On 8/17/2011 6:41 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > > Take a look at Landin's papers and especially ISWIM ("The next 700 > programming languages") > You don't so much want to learn Lisp as to learn "the idea of Lisp" > > now, I am wondering some what is exactly "the idea of Lisp"? > > putting the phrase into Google doesn't seem to turn up many obvious > candidates. > > a guess: only a few syntax elements and types can represent a large variety > of stuff (like, the world can be built up from a reasonably simple core). > > tried to make other guesses, but none really seem to stick. > > maybe also "code is data" and a few other things. > > > (sorry, I tend to be a bit literal-minded and am not always so good at > figuring out things like this). > > actually, it is sort of like the task of trying to write out a spec for a > high-level overview of my object system and core typesystem and semantics. > one has a sense of what it is, but trying to effectively explain it is > difficult. basic idea: class-instance + dynamic extension + delegation + > scopes-are-objects + ... > > sorry, I don't mean to make my stuff seem overly important, even if I am > prone to write about it a lot. > > > > Cheers, > Alan > > ________________________________ > From: karl ramberg <[email protected]> > To: Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk > > Hi, > Just reading a Lisp book my self. > Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level. > The nesting in parentheses are hard to read and comprehend / debug. > Things get not so pretty when all sorts of DSL are made to make it more > powerful. > The REPL give it a kind of wing clipped aura; there is more to computing > than text io > Karl > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:00 PM, DeNigris Sean <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Alan, > While we're on the subject, you finally got to me and I started learning > LISP, but I'm finding an entire world, rather than a cohesive language or > philosophy (Scheme - which itself has many variants, Common LISP, etc). What > would you recommend to "get it" in the way that changes your thinking? What > should I be reading, downloading, coding, etc. > Thanks. > Sean DeNigris > > You wouldn't say that "Lisp 1.5 Programmer's Manual" is outdated would you? > :-) > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > _______________________________________________ fonc mailing list [email protected] http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
