Thanks for the tip Lots of stuff added to the reading list today :-)
Karl On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:31 PM, David Leibs <[email protected]> wrote: > Your point about politics is so true. > Check out a great classic paper by Mel Conway at: > http://www.melconway.com/Home/Committees_Paper.html > > "Any organization that designs a system (defined broadly) will produce a > design whose structure is a copy of the organization's communication > structure." > > It's been called Conway's Law. > > cheers, > -David > > > On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:35 AM, karl ramberg wrote: > > The fact that a very powerful idea can be captured in so few lines of code > is really mind-blowing. > Making complex but manageable systems out of it is another subject. > I find that the bigger and more complex a system grows it gets to be more > about politics than about the "powerful idea". > > Thanks for the reading tip > > Karl > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Alan Kay <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Take a look at Landin's papers and especially ISWIM ("The next 700 >> programming languages") >> >> You don't so much want to learn Lisp as to learn "the idea of Lisp" >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alan >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* karl ramberg <[email protected]> >> >> *To:* Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:00 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk >> >> Hi, >> Just reading a Lisp book my self. >> Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level. >> The nesting in p*arentheses* are hard to read and comprehend / debug. >> Things get not so pretty when all sorts of DSL are made to make it more >> powerful. >> The REPL give it a kind of wing clipped aura; there is more to computing >> than text io >> >> Karl >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:00 PM, DeNigris Sean <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> Alan, >> >> While we're on the subject, you finally got to me and I started learning >> LISP, but I'm finding an entire world, rather than a cohesive language or >> philosophy (Scheme - which itself has many variants, Common LISP, etc). What >> would you recommend to "get it" in the way that changes your thinking? What >> should I be reading, downloading, coding, etc. >> >> Thanks. >> Sean DeNigris >> >> You wouldn't say that "Lisp 1.5 Programmer's Manual" is outdated would >> you? :-) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > >
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