Am 30.08.11 22:38, schrieb Alan Kay: > Sure. He was invited to spend a year in CSL in the mid 70s and decided > to do an Alto like machine with an Alto-like UI and that ran Alto-like > languages (turned out to be an odd combination of Mesa and Smalltalk). Did you exchange some ideas? He really apreciated object orientation when he designed his drawing program. Did you explain Smalltalk to him? The talk makes me think about complexity of software and ability to understand code.
I think there two sides: a) no abstraction at all (assembly code) : complicated since simple things are huge b) over-use of abstraction : complicated since hard to see where the real stuff is going on Maybe it also has something to do with bottom up vs top down. Cheers. Jakob > Cheers, > > Alan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jakob Praher <j...@hapra.at> > *To:* Fundamentals of New Computing <fonc@vpri.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon > > Am 30.08.11 21:46, schrieb Jakob Praher: > > Dear Eduardo, > > > > Thanks for sharing this. There is a great overlap between Alan's and > > Niklaus Wirth's sentiments. > > Very inspiring and to the point. Is anybody using Oberon > currently as a > > working environment? > > > > @Alan: Can you remember the discussion with Niklaus from the > PARC days? > > > > Best, > > Jakob > > > > > > Am 30.08.11 20:25, schrieb Eduardo Cavazos: > >> Presentation from earlier this year by Niklaus Wirth on Oberon: > >> > >> > > http://www.multimedia.ethz.ch/conferences/2011/oberon/?doi=10.3930/ETHZ/AV-5879ee18-554a-4775-8292-3cf0293f5956&autostart=true > > <http://www.multimedia.ethz.ch/conferences/2011/oberon/?doi=10.3930/ETHZ/AV-5879ee18-554a-4775-8292-3cf0293f5956&autostart=true> > >> > >> Towards the end Niklaus demos an actual Ceres workstation. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fonc mailing list > >> fonc@vpri.org <mailto:fonc@vpri.org> > >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org <mailto:fonc@vpri.org> > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
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