I'm glad that he has finally come to appreciate OOP.
Cheers,
Alan
>________________________________
>From: Jakob Praher <[email protected]>
>To: Alan Kay <[email protected]>; Fundamentals of New Computing
><[email protected]>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon
>
>
>Am 30.08.11 22:38, schrieb Alan Kay:
>Sure. He was invited to spend a year in CSL in the mid 70s and decided to do
>an Alto like machine with an Alto-like UI and that ran Alto-like languages
>(turned out to be an odd combination of Mesa and Smalltalk).
Did you exchange some ideas? He really apreciated object orientation when he
designed his drawing program. Did you explain Smalltalk to him?
>The talk makes me think about complexity of software and ability to
understand code.
>
>I think there two sides:
>a) no abstraction at all (assembly code) : complicated since simple
things are huge
>b) over-use of abstraction : complicated since hard to see where the
real stuff is going on
>
>Maybe it also has something to do with bottom up vs top down.
>
>Cheers.
>Jakob
>
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>>
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>>From: Jakob Praher <[email protected]>
>>>To: Fundamentals of New Computing <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:02 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon
>>>
>>>Am 30.08.11 21:46, schrieb Jakob Praher:
>>>> Dear Eduardo,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing this. There is a great overlap
between Alan's and
>>>> Niklaus Wirth's sentiments.
>>>> Very inspiring and to the point. Is anybody using
Oberon currently as a
>>>> working environment?
>>>>
>>>> @Alan: Can you remember the discussion with Niklaus
from the PARC days?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Jakob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 30.08.11 20:25, schrieb Eduardo Cavazos:
>>>>> Presentation from earlier this year by Niklaus
Wirth on Oberon:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.multimedia.ethz.ch/conferences/2011/oberon/?doi=10.3930/ETHZ/AV-5879ee18-554a-4775-8292-3cf0293f5956&autostart=true
>>>>>
>>>>> Towards the end Niklaus demos an actual Ceres
workstation.
>>>>>
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