I think of OO as an organization mechanism. It doesn't add fundamentally to computation, but it allows complexity to be managed more easily.
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Kurt Stephens <[email protected]> wrote: > > COLAs or CLOAs? : are lambda systems fundamentally simpler than object > systems? > > Should Combined-Object-Lambda-**Archtecture really be > Combined-Lambda-Object-**Architecture? > > Ian Piumarta’s IDST bootstraps a object-system, then a compiler, then a > lisp evaluator. Maru bootstraps a lisp evaluator, then crafts an object > system, then a compiler. Maru is much smaller and elegant than IDST. > > Are object systems necessarily more complex than lambda evaluators? Or is > this just another demonstration of how Lisp code/data unification is more > powerful? > > If message send and function calls are decomposed into lookup() and > apply(), the only difference basic OO message-passing and function calling > is lookup(): the former is late-bound, the latter is early bound (in the > link-editor, for example.). Is OO lookup() the sole complicating factor? > Is a lambda-oriented compiler fundamentally less complex than a OO > compiler? > > I took the object->lambda approach in TORT (http://github.com/kstephens/** > tort <http://github.com/kstephens/tort>) tried to keep the OO kernel > small, and delay the compiler until after the lisp evaluator. The object > system started out “tiny” but to support the lisp evaluator created in an > OO-style (which the REPL and compiler is built on) required a lot of basic > foundational object functionality. Despite its name, TORT is no longer > tiny; I probably didn’t restrain myself enough; it tries too much to > support C extension and dynamic linking. > > Did Gregor Kiczales, Ian and others stumble upon the benefits of > lisp->object bootstrapping .vs. object->lisp bootstrapping? I’ve written > object-oriented LISPs before > (http://github.com/kstephens/**ll<http://github.com/kstephens/ll>based on > ideas from OAKLISP). Do OO techniques make language > implementation “feel” easier in the beginning, only to complect later on? > > Just some ideas, > Kurt Stephens > > http://kurtstephens.com/node/**154 <http://kurtstephens.com/node/154> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/**listinfo/fonc<http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc> >
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