Hiya,

On 13/02/2012, at 2:47 PM, Kurt Stephens wrote:

> Read Ian Piumarta's "Open, extensible object models" ( 
> http://piumarta.com/software/cola/objmodel2.pdf ).
> At a certain level, send(), lookup() and apply() have bootstrap 
> implementations to break the infinite regress.  TORT was directly inspired by 
> Ian's paper.  MOS (written a while ago) has a very similar object model and 
> short-circuit.  There is an object, well-known by the system, that describes 
> its self -- this is where the short-circuit lives.
> 

Yeah I've read it about 20 times. I found it quite difficult... (mostly because 
of the fact that I didn't understand some of the C idioms, but also because the 
architecture was difficult to comprehend for me in general). Ian's object model 
didn't actually reify message though, did it? I should go read it more. I wish 
that it was more accessible to me, and/or that I could somehow increase my 
ability to comprehend it. Any further recommendations for things to read along 
this lines? I'm QUITE interested (this was my favourite part of the FoNC 
project to a point).

> A graph of TORT's object model is here: 
> http://kurtstephens.com/pub/tort/tort.svg .  It's turtles all the way down, 
> er... um... to the right.  The last turtle, the "method table", is chewing 
> its tail. :)
> 
>>> I'm not a fan of HTTP/SOAP bloat.  The fundamentals are often bulldozed by 
>>> it.
>> 
>> How about REST?
>> 
> REST is not object messaging or HTTP.
> 

REST works over HTTP. It can be object messaging, can't it? At least, as far as 
my understanding and implementations have gone. Maybe I'm deluded.


> -- Kurt
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