On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Loup Vaillant <[email protected]> wrote: > Miles Fidelman a écrit : > >> Loup Vaillant wrote: >>> >>> De : Paul Homer <[email protected]> >>> >>>> If instead, programmers just built little pieces, and it was the >>>> computer itself that was responsible for assembling it all together into >>>> mega-systems, then we could reach scales that are unimaginable today. >>>> […] >>> >>> >>> Sounds neat, but I cannot visualize an instantiation of this. Meaning, >>> I have no idea what assembling mechanisms could be used. Could you >>> sketch a trivial example? >>> >> You're thinking too small! The Internet (networks + computers + >> software + users), RESTful services, mashups, email discussion threads, >> .... - great examples of emergent behavior. > > > "Emergent"? Beware, this words often reads "Phlogiston". (It's often > used to "explain" phenomenons we just don't understand yet.) > > The examples you provided are based on static standards (IP, HTTP, SMTP > —I don't know about mashups). One characteristic of these standards > is, they are _dumb_. Which is the point, as intelligence is supposed > to lie at the edge of the network (basic Internet principle that is at > risk these times). > > Your idea seemed quite different. I had the impression of something > _smart_, able to lift a significant part of the programming effort. I > visualised some sort of self-assembling 'glue', whose purpose would be > to assemble various code snippets to do our bidding. > > Note that we have already examples of such things. Compilers, garbage > collectors, inferential engines… even game scripting engines. But those > are highly specialized. You seem to have in mind something more general. > But what, short of a full blown AI? > > I see small because I see squat. What kind of code fragments could be > involved? How the whole system may be specified? You do need to program > the system into doing what you want, eventually. > > Loup. > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
Some kind of AI would be necessary to achieve a self organizing growing and learning system. And the system would need to be general enough to be used for a wide variety of applications. Geoffrey Hinton have shown some interesting results for image recognition: https://www.coursera.org/course/neuralnets Karl _______________________________________________ fonc mailing list [email protected] http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
