I believe the key to this is to create domain widgets. I am not sure if this needs to be something like etoys, maybe a combination between forth and etoys. I believe collections can make for interesting domain widgets. I have only programmed systems with collections of text. What systems work on collections of domain widgets? On Apr 21, 2013 12:02 AM, "John Carlson" <yottz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, you're right. The theory is coming up with a syntax free language. > Can you? > On Apr 21, 2013 12:00 AM, "David Barbour" <dmbarb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> How is that a theory? Sounds like a design principle. >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 9:42 PM, John Carlson <yottz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Here's my theory: reduce arguing with the compiler to minimum. This >>> means reducing programmers' syntax errors. Only add syntax to reduce >>> errors (the famous FORTRAN do loop error). The syntax that creates errors >>> should be removed. >>> On Apr 20, 2013 11:18 PM, "John Carlson" <yottz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I think it's better to work from examples, ala JUnit and end-user >>>> programming than come up with a theory that solves nothing. One can >>>> compare EGGG to GDL in scope and expressiveness. One interesting part of >>>> gaming is arguing about rules. What computer systems do that? >>>> On Apr 20, 2013 11:09 PM, "John Carlson" <yottz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Practice or practical? Maybe there's space for practical theory, >>>>> instead of relying on things that don't exist. Why do we distinguish >>>>> practice from theory? Seems like a fallacy there. >>>>> On Apr 20, 2013 10:51 PM, "David Barbour" <dmbarb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> only in practice >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 8:23 PM, John Carlson <yottz...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Take my word for it, theory comes down to Monday Night Football on >>>>>>> ESPN. >>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2013 10:13 PM, "John Carlson" <yottz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that concepts in some sense transcend the universe. Are >>>>>>>> there more digits in pi than there are atoms in the universe? I >>>>>>>> guess we >>>>>>>> are asking if there are transcendental volumes which are bigger or more >>>>>>>> complex than the universe. If the universe contains the >>>>>>>> transcendental as >>>>>>>> symbols then how many transcendental symbols are there? I think you >>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>> run into Russell's Paradox. >>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2013 9:15 PM, "Simon Forman" <forman.si...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/20/13, John Carlson <yottz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Do you need one symbol for the number infinity and another for >>>>>>>>> denoting >>>>>>>>> > that a set is inifinite? Or do you just reason about the size >>>>>>>>> of the set? >>>>>>>>> > Is there a difference between a set that is countably infinite >>>>>>>>> and one that >>>>>>>>> > isn't countable? I barely know Russell's paradox... you're >>>>>>>>> ahead of me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, for what it's worth, quoting from Meguire's 2007 "Boundary >>>>>>>>> Algebra: A Simple Notation for Boolean Algebra and the Truth >>>>>>>>> Functors": >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Let U be the universal set, a,b∈U, and ∅ be the null set. Then the >>>>>>>>> columns headed by “Sets” show how the algebra of sets and the pa >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> equivalent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Table 4-2. The 10 Nontrivial Binary Connectives (Functors). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Name Logic Sets BA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alternation a∨b a∪b ab >>>>>>>>> Conditional a→b a⊆b (a)b >>>>>>>>> Converse a←b a⊇b a(b) >>>>>>>>> Conjunction a∧b a∩b ((a)(b)) >>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>> NOR a↓b a∪b (ab) >>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>> Sheffer stroke a|b a∩b (a)(b) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Biconditional a↔b a⊆b⊆a (((a)b)(a(b))) -or- ((a)(b))(ab) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (Apologies if the Unicode characters got mangled!) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Check out http://www.markability.net/sets.htm also. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know much about set theory but I think the "Universal" set >>>>>>>>> stands for the set of everything, no? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> ~Simon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "The history of mankind for the last four centuries is rather like >>>>>>>>> that of >>>>>>>>> an imprisoned sleeper, stirring clumsily and uneasily while the >>>>>>>>> prison that >>>>>>>>> restrains and shelters him catches fire, not waking but >>>>>>>>> incorporating the >>>>>>>>> crackling and warmth of the fire with ancient and incongruous >>>>>>>>> dreams, than >>>>>>>>> like that of a man consciously awake to danger and opportunity." >>>>>>>>> --H. 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