Hi Ralph

> Just my random, well-intentioned 2 cents on the frequency with
> which "user" questions show up here.
> 
> Mind you, I don't find them all that annoying; some - including me - would
> say it doesn't hurt to have "developers" see what the real world is up to.  But
> I have noticed that increasingly folks show signs of having been told (off 
> list)
> that they're asking in the wrong place.

It's not that we're not also on the fop-user list, you know. I think
we're just trying to get users to finally use fop-user for their
questions. More and more, they can also help themselves. That's a good
sign. I mean we have a big user base already and a relatively small
developer circle on the other side. And some of them are working hard on
the redesign so that some user requirements are even possible to
implement.

But I think nobody has ever been told off without an answer to the
question a the same time. It has taken a long time to separate fop-dev
and fop-user. To do that people had/have to be redirected (as politely
as possible, of course).

> I can't help but wonder if some of the user questions that stray onto this
> list do so because of confusion engendered by the list names.
>
> I can imagine someone thinking
> 
>       "ah, I, a developer building a fop app, need help;
>       I'll send my question to this here fop-dev list"
>
> I could go on about the disinclination of certain red-blooded developers
> to ever believe they are a "user" but maybe I won't go there   ;-)
> 
> Perhaps a simple rename of the current fop-dev to Fop-internals would help ?

You may be right. It may be a weak argument that the dev/user scheme is
used all over the XML project. In this regard your thought should
probably be targeted one level higher up.

> btw Some might say the web page is pretty explicit about which
> list is which - to which I might say "and your point is ?"
>
> Oh my, I hope this doesn't launch a firestorm  ;-)

We'll see. :-) 

Cheers,
Jeremias M�rki

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