Well here's the thing I guess. I think it is a significant
ommision that the FOP spec fails to supported paper that can
be folded, even if this sort of paper is no longer in vogue.
Still this is the case in point.

Now if I were in the business of making W3C recommendations
(i.e teaching my grandmother to suck eggs) I migght (at this
juncture in my infant learning curve) suggest

1) deprecating
    <[fo:]page-number/>
  in favour of
    <[fo:]page-pseudo-number/>
  or
    <[fo:]page-not-really-a-number-just-pretending/>

2) reworking <[fo:]page-number/> to return (I don't know, maybe)
   a  _number_.

3) introduce fo:column-number, span-number, flow-number and
   wing-number (which would all return _numbers_) - the latter
   being most useful in annotating paper planes.

4) introducing
     <[fo:]page-number-enhanced/>
   which would include the more common use atrributes like

     linear-function-to apply_to_number="2x-1"
     <!-- for linear transformations - default = x -->

     base-of-numeric-system="5"
     <!-- for other numeber systems" default = 10 -->

     angle-in-degrees-to rotate-number-by="90"
     <!-- for people who read in bed -->

(Notice I have correctly avoided any hint of "terseness" in my
naming conventions.)

Can anyone think of any other useful enhancements?

Well I guess its back to the drawing board for now.

WPE (tongue in cheek)

P.S
How may FOP programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?
Only one, however please note that <fo:light-bulb> does not
actually return any light, but does a neat light shade.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arved Sandstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: When a page is not a page


> Here is the thing. XSLT and XSL-FO are independent. XSL-FO has no more
> special meaning to XSLT than does MathML or DocBook or SVG. XSLT
understands
> its own elements (including extensions of course). It understands no
others.
>
> <fo:page-number/> (or as Ken Holman points out, <page-number/> in the
> http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Format namespace, since we may assign any
prefix
> we like, or none) is not acted on by the XSL-FO formatter to produce a
> number until after XSLT is done. Period.
>
> And note that <fo:page-number/> never actually _is_ a number, and in fact
> the formatter is not required to even generate a stringified page-number.
>
> This is what the XSL Recommendation allows or does not allow you to do. If
> you feel that there is a compelling use case for being able to do what you
> want to do, I'd suggest writing it up and submitting it to the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] list.
>
> Hope this clears things up.
>
> Regards,
> Arved Sandstrom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Elliott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: March 29, 2002 10:15 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: When a page is not a page
>
>
> Thanks for the tips guys. However <fo:page-number/> does
> not like being treated like a number, as it does not assign
> to a variable numerically. This was surprising. The following
> snippet
>
>  <fo:block space-after="5mm" text-align="justify">
>     - <fo:page-number/>
>     -  <xsl:variable name="curpage"><fo:page-number/></xsl:variable>
>        <xsl:value-of select="$curpage"/>
>     -  <xsl:value-of select="$curpage * 2"/>
>     - <xsl:value-of select="floor($curpage) * 2"/>
>     - <xsl:value-of select="column-number"/>
>     - <xsl:value-of select="(2 * $curpage) + 1"/>
>     - <xsl:number/>
>   </fo:block>
>
> produces the following output
>
> On page (sheet) 1.
>
> - 1 - - NaN - NaN - - NaN - 1
>
> On sheet 2.
>
> - 2 - - NaN - NaN - - NaN - 1
>
> i.e On sheet n.
>
> - n - - NaN - NaN - - NaN - 1
>
> Expected for sheet n was
>
> - n - n - 2n - 2n - 2n? - 2n+1- 1?
>
> Not sure why page-number behaves non-numerically. Perhaps it
> is something to do with the number formatting, e.g 1 = i = a
> etc. Perhaps there is a low level function that can extract
> the number part from fo:page-number?
>
> What I really need is a way of determining the number of the
> current column, based on column count and page number,but
> this also eludes me.
>
> WPE
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew L. Avizinis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 9:42 AM
> Subject: RE: When a page is not a page
>
>
> > I believe this will not work as Wayne intends.
> > Page numbers will be generated sequentially starting with the
> > initial-page-number.
> > So, this might work better:
> >
> > <fo:page-sequence initial-page-number="0">
> >
> > then
> >
> > <xsl:variable name="currentpage"><fo:page-number/></xsl:variable>
> >
> > then
> >
> > Then <xsl:value-of select="(2 * $currentpage) + 1"/> for the left page
> > number
> > and <xsl:value-of select="(2 * $currentpage) + 2"/> for the right page
> > number
> > hth,
> >
> >    Matthew L. Avizinis <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Gleim Publications, Inc.
> >    4201 NW 95th Blvd.
> >  Gainesville, FL 32606
> > (352)-375-0772 ext. 101
> >       www.gleim.com <http://www.gleim.com>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 8:03 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: When a page is not a page
> > >
> > >
> > > Just speculating, but have you tried putting the page-number
> > > element inside
> > > a variable?
> > >
> > > i.e.:
> > >
> > > <xsl:variable name="currentpage"><fo:page-number/></xsl:variable>
> > >
> > > Then <xsl:value-of select="$currentpage * 2"/>, etc...
> > >
> > > I haven't tried this, but it's just what pops into my head...
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> > > At 08:44 AM 3/30/2002 +0800, Wayne Elliott wrote:
> > > >A picture paints a thousand words...
> > > >
> > > >       -----------------------------------
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      | ............... : ..............  |
> > > >      |        1        :        2        |
> > > >       -----------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >The picture above represents a single sheet of A4 (Letter)
> > > >paper. However it also represents two pages in a book, and
> > > >if the page is folded down the dotted line it even starts to
> > > >look like a book. My problem is this; I need the page number
> > > >sequence as displayed in the  picture - ie. 2 pages per page (sheet)
> > > >
> > > >I have no trouble laying out the text flow correctly using
> > > >stuff like
> > > >
> > > >     <fo:simple-page-master master-name="content"
> > > >                            page-height="{$pageheight}mm"
> > > >                            page-width="{$pagewidth}mm"
> > > >                            margin-left="{$marginleft}mm"
> > > >                            margin-right="{$marginright}mm"
> > > >                            margin-top="{$margintop}mm"
> > > >                            margin-bottom="{$marginbottom}mm">
> > > >
> > > >       <fo:region-before extent="10mm"/>
> > > >
> > > >       <fo:region-after extent="10mm"/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >       <fo:region-body margin-top="10mm"
> > > >                       margin-bottom="10mm"
> > > >                       column-count="2"
> > > >                       column-gap="20mm"/>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     </fo:simple-page-master>
> > > >
> > > >and I defined a static region for the page number values
> > > >using the following
> > > >
> > > >   <fo:static-content flow-name="xsl-region-after"
> > > >                      font-family="serif"
> > > >                      font-size="9pt">
> > > >
> > > >     <fo:table table-layout="fixed">
> > > >       <fo:table-column column-width="120mm"/>
> > > >       <fo:table-column column-width="120mm"/>
> > > >       <fo:table-body>
> > > >         <fo:table-row>
> > > >           <fo:table-cell>
> > > >             <fo:block text-align="center">
> > > >       <fo:page-number/> <!-- 2x -->
> > > >              </fo:block>
> > > >           </fo:table-cell>
> > > >           <fo:table-cell>
> > > >             <fo:block text-align="center">
> > > >       <fo:page-number/> <!-- 2x + 1 -->
> > > >              </fo:block>
> > > >           </fo:table-cell>
> > > >         </fo:table-row>
> > > >       </fo:table-body>
> > > >     </fo:table>
> > > >
> > > >   </fo:static-content>
> > > >
> > > >but I do not know how to get the <fo:page-number/> to play
> > > >the game and give me more than one page number per page.
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps I am wrong in my approach and there is a way of
> > > >specifying two page regions per page/sheet, but I have
> > > >not found it yet.
> > > >
> > > >Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > >WPE
> >
> >
>
>

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