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>>> McGrath, Jim 03/19/02 01:16PM >>> > PS Ask and you shall receive. > > ... r/w long ... > All T13 did was to make > this a topic of discussion > between the supplier and the customer, > not a matter for standards compliance. This is true. > once again, all ATA did was make the command obsolete, > so if customers continue to generate > enough demand people can supply it. Eh? Either this is Not true - or I have completely misunderstood it. We've heard here that Ansi T13 and T10 have jointly quietly neglected to define a way to express the ideas of seek, r/w long, etc. past the 28/32 bit Lba barriers (i.e. the 128GiB/2TiB @ 0.5KiB/block barriers). If true, then this changes the quality of the discussion between supplier and customer. Once upon a time the customer could ask, did you implement option X. Then later they had to ask, do you still implement obsolete option X. Now they have to ask, is your vendor-specific invention of a new form of what was X precisely identical to ours. This is a significant qualititative change - how can that fact be in dispute? This is the significant gap between Optional or Obsolete and Vendor-specific. We therefore can say, in an nutshell, the T10/T13 community, me included, has passively tried to kill off the use by anyone but the device manufacturer of the seek, r/w long, etc. commands, by our quiet neglect to give current definitions for these ops ... and we'll all now see what happens. > My (constructive) suggestion > has been to put together a proposal > ... and submit it to T13 ... > If you are not willing to make the effort, > then it's obviously not a very important topic for you. Sorry, I don't see how this follows? The desire to understand reality is distinct from the desire to change reality. A design engineer can be passionately interested in understanding a topic in detail without wishing - or feeling empowered - or maybe even voting for - advocating change on behalf of the employer of the moment. So long as we here on the reflector fail to establish a consensus over how to say what T10 & T13 did do to seek, r/w long, & co., we have to wonder whether every speaker really understands what did happen. Only when another person echoes back paraphrased but equivalent what one person first said, can we believe we're understanding each other. x4402 Pat LaVarre [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.aol.com/plscsi/
