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<rant> Why not just merge T13 and T10 back togather into the X3 group as the purpose of SAS is to promote the existance of a dead standard on the physical layer. The reality is SAS is only around to promote the extra bloated costs associated w/ SCSI and make claims T10 hardware is superior to T13's. Turning ATA in to the "ends justify the means" transport is not what is desired. Moving from a state-machine to a fuzzy-bus-state, only makes things a mess. Spliting volumes so that one part of the committee is clueless to what the other part is doing is wrong and needs to go back to T10, regardless. </rant> Ah, that feels better. Andre Hedrick LAD Storage Consulting Group On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Elliott, Robert (Server Storage) wrote: > This message is from the T13 list server. > > > Rather than keep the ATA-7 volume 1/2 split that exists today (adding > volume 3 for SATA?), would it make sense to split it into three > standards: > > 1. ATA architecture and command set (what Volume 1 has today) > 2. Parallel ATA transport protocol (what Volume 2 has today) > 3. Serial ATA transport protocol (which will be revised many times in > the future) > > ATA/ATAPI-7 would be like SCSI-3, the last global ATA/ATAPI-n number. > > Rather than work on ATA/ATAPI-8 next and upgrade the commands and > transport protocols at the same time (even if they don't all need > changes), ATA Commands - 2, 3, etc. work could progress independently > from Serial ATA - 2, 3, etc. work. Parallel ATA - 1 might be the last > version of that standard. > > > > As discussed before, I'd also urge you to consider these renamings as > Serial ATA is added: > device -> target > host -> initiator > Parallel ATA/volume 2 uses "Parallel ATA initiator/target" > Serial ATA/volume 3 uses "Serial ATA initiator/target" > Command set/volume 1 uses "ATA initiator/target" > > This is patterned after the terminology used by the SCSI standards > and would help ATAPI and SAS (which both use ATA and SCSI together). > > -- > Rob Elliott, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hewlett-Packard Industry Standard Server Storage Advanced Technology > https://ecardfile.com/id/RobElliott > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mclean, Pete [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:23 PM > > To: T13 (E-mail) > > Subject: [t13] FW: Transfer of SATA 1.0 spec to T13 > > > > > > This message is from the T13 list server. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ziller, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:54 PM > > To: 'Mclean, Pete'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: Transfer of SATA 1.0 spec to T13 > > > > > > Dear Technical Committee T13, > > > > The Serial ATA Steering Committee is very interested in > > transferring the > > Serial ATA 1.0 specification over to the T13 Committee as > > soon as possible > > to be incorporated into the ATA/ATAPI Rev 7 release. The > > Steering Committee > > has already voted and unanimously approved this transfer. We > > can start > > having the Promoter companies approve and execute the > > copyright release > > forms as soon as we hear that the T13 Committee has voted to > > accept the > > Serial ATA 1.0 specification. If the T13 Committee votes to > > accept the spec > > in December, then we expect to be able to transfer the spec > > by January 2003. > > Also, we are in the process of incorporating the existing > > errata into the > > specification, and expect that will be completed within the > > same timeframe. > > Please let us know what your critical deadlines are, and if > > the above meets > > your needs. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jason Ziller > > Serial ATA Working Group chairman > > > > >
