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ATA/ATAPI-7 revision 3g and revision 4 have been posted to the web site. 

        Document Number:        T13/e03147r0
        Date:   18 Dec 2003
        Reply to:       Mark Overby


To:     Membership of T13

From:   Mark Overby, Secretary of T13, and Dan Colegrove, Chairman of T13

Subject:        Minutes of 44th T13 Plenary Meeting at Las Vegas NV.
        December 16th to December 18th, 2003
 

Agenda

1       OPENING REMARKS 3
2       APPROVAL OF AGENDA      3
3       MEMBERSHIP AND ATTENDANCE       3
3.1     MEMBERSHIP      4
3.2     FEES    4
3.3     ATTENDANCE      4
4       APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS T13 PLENARY MEETING 
(E03139R0)      6
5       DOCUMENT DISTRIBUTION   6
6       REVIEW OF PREVIOUS ACTION ITEMS 6
6.1     REVIEW OF OPEN ISSUES   6
7       OLD BUSINESS    6
7.1     ATA/ATAPI-7 PROJECT 1532D       6
7.1.1   Time Limited Read Write (e03129r0)      6
7.1.1.1 Results of Letter Ballot (e03023r0)     6
7.1.2   ATAPI DMA Direction Indication (e03132r3) [Hartney]     7
7.1.3   Clarification of BSY bit behavior for parallel emulation on SATA 
(e03144r0) [Overby]     7
7.1.4   Data Register Read/Write Bug (5.4.3 v1 in ATA-7) [Landis]       7
7.1.5   SATA Connector Status (SATA Errata 43)  8
7.1.6   Jitter Measurement Table (SATA Errata 44)       8
7.1.7   ATA/ATAPI-7 Page by Page Review 8
7.1.8   ATA/ATAPI-7 Schedule Review     10
7.2     ATA/ATAPI-8 PROJECT PROPOSAL    10
7.2.1   Enterprise Extensions SMART Accessed (EESA) (e03138r1) [Masciewiz] 
11
7.2.2   SATA LED        11
7.2.3   HPA State Diagram Corrections [Kataria] 11
7.2.4   Remove Parallel Interface from ATA-8?   12
7.3     ATA/ATAPI-6 ERROR CORRECTION PROJECT    12
7.4     ATA/ATAPI HOST ADAPTER STANDARD PROJECT 1510D STATUS    12
7.5     EDD-3 PROJECT 1572D     12
7.5.1   Behavior for Obsolete Commands  12
7.5.2   Emulex request for iSCSI and SAS Interface Type 12
7.5.3   SAS Device Path Proposal for SAS interface and path type        12
7.6     A/V TECHNICAL PROJECT REPORT    13
7.7     PARTIES-2 PROJECT STATUS        13
7.8     PROPOSAL FOR HBA-2 STANDARD [GOODFELLOW]        13
7.9     T13 REFLECTOR, FTP, AND WEB SITE SETUP  13
8       NEW BUSINESS    13
8.1     ENTERPRISE EXTENSIONS SMART ACCESSED (EESD) (E03138R0) [MASCIEWIZ] 
ERROR! BOOKMARK NOT DEFINED.
8.2     PENDING ERRATA FROM SATA WORKING GROUP  ERROR! BOOKMARK NOT 
DEFINED.
8.2.1   Connector Changes (SATA Errata 43)      Error! Bookmark not 
defined.
8.2.2   Jitter Measurement Table (SATA Errata 44)       Error! Bookmark 
not defined.
8.3     SATA LED        ERROR! BOOKMARK NOT DEFINED.
8.4     ATA/ATAPI-8 PROJECT [COLEGROVE] ERROR! BOOKMARK NOT DEFINED.
9       LIAISON REPORTS 13
9.1     T10     13
9.2     SFF     13
9.3     IDEMA   14
9.4     SERIAL ATA II   14
10      CALL FOR PATENTS        14
11      REVIEW OF ACTION ITEMS  14
12      SCHEDULE        15
12.1    AUTHORIZATION OF AD HOC WORKING GROUPS  15
12.2    LONG TERM MEETING SCHEDULE      15
13      ADJOURNMENT     15



Results of the Meeting

1 Opening remarks

Dan Colegrove, the T13 Chair, called the meeting to order at 9:00 A.M. on 
Tuesday, December 16th, 2003.  Dan Colegrove of Hitachi Global Storage 
hosted this meeting.

As is customary, the people in attendance introduced themselves, and a 
copy of the attendance list was circulated.  Copies of the agenda were 
made available to those in attendance.

The Chair briefly reviewed the meeting rules: T13 is a Technical Committee 
of INCITS and operates under INCITS rules.  Anyone with interest in the 
work of the committee is free to attend and take part in discussions. 
However, motions and votes are limited to member organizations, one vote 
per member organization. 

The Chair also noted that T13 operates under the INCITS antitrust 
guidelines. There should never be discussion of the following topics at 
any INCITS or an INCITS subgroup meeting: 
* Any company's prices or pricing policies; 
* Specific R&D, sales and marketing plans; 
* Any company's confidential product, product development or production 
strategies; 
* Whether certain suppliers or customers will be served; 
* Prices paid to input sources; or 
* Complaints about individual firms or other actions that might tend to 
hinder a competitor in any market. 

Policies and Procedures and antitrust guidelines for INCITS are available 
at the web site at www.incits.org. T13 operates under these policies and 
procedures augmented by the T13 procedures at the T13 web site at 
www.t13.org.

2 Approval of agenda

The agenda was approved by unanimous consent.

3 Membership and attendance

The Chair reviewed the rules for membership and attendance:

3.1 Membership

An individual from an organization new to T13 must attend at least one T13 
plenary meeting before requesting voting membership.  After that meeting, 
the representative may request membership from the T13 chair stating 
expertise and material interest in the scope of the committee and pay the 
required fees to INCITS.  The time when membership becomes effective has 
just changed. Membership now becomes effective at the start of the next 
meeting the organization attends assuming the organization attends one of 
the next two meetings.

3.2 Fees

Current INCITS memberships fees for Principal or additional Alternates are 
800.00 USD.  The First Alternate is free with a Principal membership.

Mailings of committee documents are available to any interested party 
after each plenary meeting.  The cost for mailings for one year is 300.00 
USD for mailing in the USA and 400.00 USD for mailing to a location 
outside of the USA.

Persons with questions or requests regarding membership fees and/or 
subscriptions for mailings should contact Parthenia Purnell, ITI Standards 
Operations, at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

3.3 Attendance

In addition to payment of fees, there are also minimum attendance and 
participation requirements to maintain voting membership status on T13.  A 
representative from a member organization must attend two of every three 
plenary meetings and vote on at least every other letter ballot.  If a 
member organization fails to have a representative in attendance at two of 
the last three T13 plenary meetings or vote on every other letter ballot, 
they are warned that failing to attend the next T13 meeting or to vote on 
the next letter ballot will result in their voting membership being 
terminated.

Attendance at a working group meeting does not affect voting membership 
status in T13.

The T13 voting membership during the meeting was 19 organizations.  There 
were 17 companies present.

The number of eligible voting members required for establishing a quorum 
was 7.  15 Member organizations were present at the start of the meeting, 
thus a quorum was present.

NVIDIA Corporation was added as an official member effective this meeting.
The following individuals attended:

Name
Company

Contact the committee chairman
Colegrove, Dan
Hitachi GST
For attendee contact information
Puri, Sumit
Fujitsu

Livacaari, Steve
IBM

Grimsrud, Knut
Intel

Eschmann, Michael
Intel

Thompson, Tim
LSI Logic

Jackson, Mark
Maxtor

Overby, Mark
NVIDIA

Goodfellow, Tony


Elkins, Greg
QLogic

Chen, Joe
Samsung

Noblitt, Marc
Seagate

Hatfield, Jim
Seagate

Hartney, Mark
Silicon Image

Lott, Glenn
ST Microelectronics

Suzuki, Hiroshi
Toshiba

Hirata, Kenneth
Emulex

Masiewicz, John
Western Digital

Chen, Joe
Samsung

Zelenko, Karen
Phoenix Technologies 

Flake, Lance
Maxtor


4 
Approval of the Minutes from the Previous T13 Plenary Meeting (e03139r0)

Mark Overby moved and John Masiewicz seconded that the minutes of the 
previous meeting, e03139r0, be approved. The motion was approved with 14 
ayes, 0 nays, and 0 abstentions.
5 Document Distribution

The following documents were distributed either via hard copy, soft copy, 
or both:

Agenda and document directory
ATAPI DMA Direction proposal update (e03129r3)
SATA Errata 43 drawings
6 Review of Previous Action Items

The open action items list were reviewed under item 11

6.1 Review of Open Issues
1. Completed
2. Not yet completed. Dan requested that someone involved in the ATAPI 
business consider taking ownership of this item.
7 Old Business

7.1 ATA/ATAPI-7 Project 1532D
7.1.1 Time Limited Read Write (e03129r0)
7.1.1.1 Results of Letter Ballot (e03023r0)

The letter ballot passed with 8 yes votes, 5 no votes, and 1 abstention. 
The comments returned by the letter ballot were reviewed by each party. It 
was noted that in the letter ballot return there was a typo in the 
document that states it is D03024r0 when it should be e03024r0. (Bold type 
added by secretary for emphasis). All letter ballots were returned except 
for Absolute Software.

The ruling by the chair was reviewed that the document was subject to a 
simple majority because the 30-day period of the letter ballot constituted 
sufficient notification for the change. The chair commented that he did 
attempt to receive clarification from INCITS but has not been able to 
contact the appropriate individual. The chair ruled that because the 
ATA/ATAPI-7 document was not stabilized and therefore did not need the 2/3 
supermajority.

As a result of the letter ballot the Time Limited Read/Write information 
will be removed from the ATA/ATAPI-7 specification.

Seagate stated that they would submit a formal project proposal to turn 
this item into a formal standalone technical document. The procedure for 
creating a new project was reviewed by the chair.
7.1.2 ATAPI DMA Direction Indication (e03132r3) [Hartney]
The latest revision of the proposed changes was reviewed. The new document 
contained background information about the necessity of this change in 
relation to ATAPI DMA over SATA. The changes to the IDENTIFY PACKET data 
were reviewed, most of the new information was moved to a previously 
reserved word (word 62) of the identify data. This was done to reflect 
comments that existing words should not be modified in behavior. In 
addition further comments were extended in the notes.

It was moved that revision 3 of this document be incorporated into the 
ATA/ATAPI-7 standard. The motion passed with 14 ayes, 0 nays, and 0 
abstentions.
7.1.3 Clarification of BSY bit behavior for parallel emulation on SATA 
(e03144r0) [Overby]
The proposal was discussed. Knut Grimsrud commented that he was concerned 
that we were changing the meaning of device detection and not allowing for 
alternate methods of determining the connection status of a device. John 
Masiewicz and Mark Overby both pointed out that language in Clause 
20.2.2.1 already indicates that this is the case and that the definition 
of the DET bit in the SStatus register is already referenced in 
conjunction to this section. It was agreed that a forward link in the 
section should be included from the parallel emulation section to the 
definition of "device presence" in Clause 20.2.2.1 as an editorial change.

For the behavior of the register, it was proposed that it be changed to 
require a return of 0x80 when device presence is detected. A long 
discussion ensued between various host vendors about the fact that would 
require changes to existing silicon and make them incompatible. An 
alternative change was made that the language be changed to make 0x80 a 
preferred return value. Debate ensued about if host drivers should 
actually test against 0x80 as a legal return value. It was agreed that 
they should solely be testing against bit 7. Discussion about what effect 
returning 0xFF has on existing host software ensued.

Mark Overby proposed that the language in the parallel emulation section 
be revised to return 0x80 as a "preferred" return value but leave 0xFF as 
a legal return value. The motion died for lack of a second.
7.1.4 Data Register Read/Write Bug (5.4.3 v1 in ATA-7) [Landis]
It was noted that the direction of the reads and writes were reversed 
during the operation of PIO for. In or out for data direction is from the 
perspective of the host not the device so PIO out transactions occur by 
writes to the data port (e.g.). It was also noted that the data register 
has the directions reversed as well in section 5.3.3.

It was noted that this should be considered for an erratum on ATA-6 as 
well.

The changes discussed will be reflected in the ATA-7 document.
7.1.5 SATA Connector Status (SATA Errata 43)
This erratum has already been approved by the SATA working group as an 
erratum to the serial 1.0a document. It was noted that this is actually a 
new feature that adds a latching connector to the specification. It was 
determined that the new erratum replaces some existing drawings with new 
connector drawings. Concern was raised that this would make existing 
connectors non-compliant. It was pointed out that the drawings actually 
make the new parts optional meaning that existing connectors will still be 
compliant.

Marc Noblest moved and Tim Thompson seconded that Errata 43 be 
incorporated as presented. The motion passed with 13 ayes, 0 nays, and 1 
abstention.
7.1.6 Jitter Measurement Table (SATA Errata 44)
Knut reported that the background for this erratum is that the last step 
in the jitter measurement was determined to be impossible to accurately 
determine. Instead of having 3 ledges, it would only have two. Also all 
references to A2 and the table for jitter measurement would be removed. 
The erratum from the SATA working group was reviewed.

John Masiewicz requested that the erratum be formatted into the normal T13 
proposal feature. It was noted that due to time constraints it should be 
incorporated without the formal proposal.

Dan Colegrove moved, Phil Hartney seconded, that the changes outlined in 
Errata 44 be incorporated from the source material provided. The motion 
passed with 13 ayes, 0 nays, and 2 abstentions.
7.1.7 ATA/ATAPI-7 Page by Page Review [Masiewicz]
ATA/ATAPI-7 Volume 1 (d1532v1r3d) ? reviewed changes
ATA/ATAPI-7 Volume 2 (d1532v2r3d) ? reviewed changes
ATA/ATAPI-7 Volume 3 (d1532v3r3d) ? reviewed changes

John Masiewicz led a page by page review of Volume 3, revision 3f. The 
review was conducted of all outstanding changes, editorial changes, and 
changes approved earlier in the plenary session. 

It was noted by Knut Grimsrud that he was concerned that the cable 
connector change for Errata 43 may not have been incorporated with all of 
the necessary information. John responded that the changes were not deltas 
in the document so he was unable to verify the veracity of the changes. 
Dan Colegrove pointed out that it would appear that the missing material 
is indeed present in other separate diagrams in the connector section.

Knut also pointed out that there are issues with the spread spectrum 
diagrams for idealized waveforms in relation to a Lexmark patent for 
spread spectrum. After much discussion it was decided that the section was 
not a requirement and would be left intact for the revision and if 
necessary a new diagram could be provided as part of letter ballot 
comments.

The attendees further reviewed the new connector diagrams to make sure 
that all of the new diagrams were included and that the replaced diagrams 
were actually replaced. Some minor corrections were also made to the 
titles for the figures for the connectors. It was noted that the attendees 
sure ensure that this material was reviewed by appropriate parties for 
correctness during further review of the document.

General non-technical, grammatical, or formatting errors or changes were 
requested by multiple parties and were incorporated into the document.

John Masiewicz led a page by page review of Volume 2, revision 3f. The 
review was conducted of all outstanding changes and other editorial 
corrections, and was incorporated as noted during the review. Any 
revisions necessitated by other actions taken by the committee during this 
meeting were also reflected in the document after review.

Corrections were made to the host protected area state diagrams for volume 
2 to reflect the correct behavior of the nIEN bit.

General non-technical, grammatical, or formatting errors or changes were 
requested by multiple parties and were incorporated into the document.

John Masiewicz led a page by page review of Volume 1, revision 3f. The 
review was conducted of all outstanding changes and other editorial 
corrections, and was incorporated as noted during the review. Any 
revisions necessitated by other actions taken by the committee during this 
meeting were also reflected in the document after review.

During discussions of the effect of device configuration overlay bits for 
SMART tests it was noted by Joe Chen that bit 1 of the DCO originally 
controlled all tests and that new bits in the DCO control the new tests. 
Jim Hatfield indicated that the intent was that bit 1 would only control 
the existing tests and the new bits control the new tests. There was 
significant discussion on the interpretations of this issue. The document 
was revised to indicate that the behavior of bit 1 may vary based on 
implementation and that consulting the other bits in conjunction was 
needed by software using this feature.

It was requested that each volume title page reflect the contents of the 
volume for ease of reading. In addition incorrect data was observed in the 
forewords and it was noted by Dan Colegrove 

Based on the results of the letter ballot covering the removal of the time 
limited read/write feature set, the document was reviewed to accurately 
and completely remove all references to the time limited read/write 
feature set from the document.

Multiple corrections were made to the command descriptions to accurately 
reflect the command availability for packet devices as well as making the 
names of the stream commands accurately reflect that they are DMA (PIO 
commands are not explicitly stated as such in the command name) and 48-bit 
only.

John Masiewicz moved, Jim Hatfield seconded, that all of the changes be 
accepted and a new revision (3g) be created for all 3 volume. The motion 
passed with 13 ayes, 0 nays, and 0 abstentions.

John Masiewicz moved, Mark Overby seconded, that he be authorized to 
create a revision 4 to incorporate editorial changes and accept all 
outstanding changes from revision 3g. The motion passed with 12 ayes, 1 
nay, and 0 abstentions.

Greg Elkins moved, Mark Jackson seconded, that committee requests that the 
chair create a letter ballot to forward revision 4 of ATA/ATAPI-7 to 
INCITS. The motion passed with 12 ayes, 1 nay, and 0 abstentions.

7.1.8 ATA/ATAPI-7 Schedule Review

Schedule Item   Original                Prior   Proposed
Proposal        Aug-01          Aug-01  Aug-01
Initial draft   Dec-01          Dec-01  Dec-01
Proposal cut-off        Jun-02          Jun-02  Jun-02
Stabilized draft        Dec-02          Dec-02  Aug-03
Letter ballot   Apr-03          Apr-03  Dec-03
Forward to INCITS Jun-03        Jun-03  Apr-04

7.2 ATA/ATAPI-8 Project Proposal [Colegrove]
Dan Colegrove began the discussion by commenting that there are two 
possible avenues of approach to the next standard. There are several known 
extensions coming from the SATA II activities that will be here soon. One 
possible approach is to incorporate those changes quickly with leaving the 
document largely intact in a short timeframe. The alternative proposal is 
to make potential wide-sweeping changes on the normal 18 month to 2 year 
timeframe. 

John Masiewicz and Marc Noblitt both commented that we can only work with 
the material on the table and since some of these features are not 
available we can proceed with what we have. John also commented that it 
makes sense to begin work on revamping the current volume 1 material now 
since this will be an extremely large task.

Attendees also discussed what the root nature of the project should be. 
There was a straw poll conducted among the attendees that indicated that 
13 of the attendees supported removing parallel ATA information and 5 were 
opposed to the removal. Dan Colegrove stated that he would generate the 
formal project proposal that would include the removal of the parallel ATA 
standard.

Other features or changes that people have commented on for a future 
project included:
ATAPI over SATA
EESA
Erratum from the SATA working group
Write Wrong revival
ISO Standardization
Remove PIO
Remove Parallel ATA
Command volume interface changes
7.2.1 Enterprise Extensions SMART Accessed (EESA) (e03138r1) [Masiewicz]
Mike Masiewicz reviewed the latest revision of the document. He states 
that this document is the first fully clean revision of the document and 
he requested that this be the version of the document that people review. 
In addition, the sections on the control timeouts was the most revised 
section of the document as well as information about the superstatus and 
how to obtain or observe status.

Marc Noblitt commented that he disagrees with the title of the document in 
that the "Enterprise" in the command feature set is unnecessarily 
restrictive and was confusing as to if this was available for any type of 
drive or just a certain segment of drives.

Marc Noblitt made a motion to revise the title of the document to remove 
the word Enterprise. There was significant discussion as to if the motion 
was possible. The motion eventually failed for lack of a second.

John continued with his review about why SMART was chosen for this method 
of command delivery and also what changes were made to data structures and 
commands. He also discussed the way commands are delivered by using one 
sector of data that follows the actual SMART command. The data following 
the command is the actual EESA command.
7.2.2 SATA LED [Puri]
Sumit Puri commented that this agenda item is more of a placeholder for a 
future document and that once the SATA working group has completed their 
work on the LED, then this committee will need to decide what to do about 
that investigation. Sumit commented that the item could be removed from 
the agenda until the SATA working group has completed their work. It will 
be left on the agenda as skipped if no new data is available.
7.2.3 HPA State Diagram Corrections [Kataria]
Karen Zalenko stated that the modifications are not really corrections as 
there is nothing incorrect about the information, but instead it is 
bringing together all of the information that is currently spread 
throughout the ATA/ATAPI-7 document. Karen showed a diagram that brought 
all of the states taken into one diagram.

Jim Hatfield stated that their engineers have concerns about the effects 
of resets on the various commands and that information was not present.

Dan stated that there were several different ways that this could be 
approached, included doing this as a technical report or just waiting for 
ATA/ATAPI-8. A suggestion was also made that it could be included now and 
resolved through letter ballot comments from the ATA/ATAPI-7 ballot. 
Several attendees raised concerns about that approach.

Karen agreed to update the document on the website and solicit feedback 
based on the updated document from the reflector.
7.2.4 Remove Parallel Interface from ATA-8?
See discussion under section 7.2 for full details of the discussion 
revolving around removing parallel from ATA/ATAPI-8. This agenda item was 
collapsed into the ATA/ATAPI-8 project proposal discussion.

7.3 ATA/ATAPI-6 Error Correction Project [Colegrove]

Dan Colegrove has not yet put together the proposal for the correction to 
the ATA/ATAPI-6 correction.

7.4 ATA/ATAPI Host Adapter Standard Project 1510D Status [Goodfellow]

ANSI editor was satisfied with the final edits and the project will be 
published.

7.5 EDD-3 Project 1572D

Mike Eschmann volunteered that he will take ownership of the EDD-3 
standard as the project currently does not have an editor. Mike also 
commented that the proper owner of this project would be with a system 
BIOS company.
7.5.1 Behavior for Obsolete Commands
Dan Colegrove stated that a review needed to be done as to what a standard 
reply should be for those commands that are no longer allowed (obsolete 
commands). It was also noted that there is not a consistent standard for 
how the BIOS should respond to those commands
7.5.2 Emulex request for iSCSI and SAS Interface Type
7.5.3 SAS Device Path Proposal for SAS interface and path type
Mike Eschmann reviewed the proposal document including the reasons for the 
requested change and the impact of the change. Dan Colegrove commented 
that it was appropriate to include a link to the T10 documents if needed.

Mike Eschmann moved and Ken Hirata seconded that the proposal be included 
as documented in document d1572r1. The motion passed with 11 ayes, 0 nays, 
and 2 abstentions.

7.6 A/V Technical Project Report [Colegrove]

Dan Colegrove stated that he has no new information to report on this 
project. The item will be carried forward to the next meeting.

7.7 PARTIES-2 Project Status

Dan Colegrove was unclear as if there was a project or a proposal for a 
project. Dan stated that he will have to report in the new calendar year 
and needs to know what the status of the project is and when new material 
should be available.

7.8 Proposal for HBA-2 Standard [Overby]

Mark Overby agreed that NVIDIA will propose a new project at the next 
meeting for a serial-ATA host bus standard (document number e03146r0). 

7.9 T13 reflector, FTP, and web site setup

Dan Colegrove stated that we now have a backup mirror of the T13 website. 
That mirror can be accessed at http://www.t10.org/t13 and 
ftp://ftp.t10.org/t13. Dan agreed to post this information on the 
reflector and to also address the broken links that have been found on the 
site. 

8 New Business

8.1 "Master/Slave" Reflector Discussion

Dan Colegrove moved and Tim Thompson seconded that all current references 
to slave be removed from the document glossary. The motion passed with 
unanimous consent.

9 Liaison Reports
9.1 T10

Dan has not yet posted a liaison report for T10. No other new information 
to report.

9.2 SFF

Dan mentioned that there is work going on with server features for drives 
involving handles and new holes that will not affect current drawings. In 
addition there is a proposal floating from Sun for a 12v only drive for 
server applications.

9.3 IDEMA

IDEMA has two working groups that affect T13. There is a long physical 
sector committee for large block (4k) formatting. There is a letter being 
formed to Microsoft for support and that the T13 committee supports their 
work. There is work also being done for benchmarking for A/V work. On the 
level 1 benchmark (seek profile) that is was being considered for 
production line and qualification purposes. It was proposed that IDEMA 
publish the algorithm with the statement that it is for not for public 
standardization and just an example how one could write such a test. The 
level 2 benchmark had consistent feedback that the benchmark was not 
useful and had numerous bugs.

9.4 Compact Flash Association

CFA does want to add UDMA support and an A/V command set to the CFA. There 
was talk that because of the small sizes of the device, they may want to 
use their own variation on the A/V command set. There was also discussion 
about standardizing a USB interface for the devices.

9.5 Serial ATA II

Knut Grimsrud stated that the next serial ATA plugfest has been announced 
for March. It does not require membership, but does require executing the 
plugfest agreement. 
10 Call for Patents

The Chair explained the patent policy.  A document is available from ANSI, 
"Procedures for the Development and Coordination of American National 
Standards", at no charge.  This document is also on the INCITS web site at 
ftp://www.incits.org/help/ansi_sdo.html.  Section 1.2.11 contains the ANSI 
patent policy.  Amy Marasco manages patent issues for ANSI and can be 
contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 212-642-4954.

The Chair then called for patents and/or patent applications that may be 
necessary to comply with the requirements in T13 standards, draft 
standards, technical reports, or draft technical reports. 

There was no response to the call for patents.

11 Review of Action Items

1. Dan Colegrove to provide new foreword template based on new INCITS 
foreword information.
2. Dan Colegrove to include information about the data direction error 
found in ATA/ATAPI-7 for inclusion in the ATA/ATAPI-6 errata project.
3. Dan Colegrove will publish an errata document for ATA/ATAPI-6 for 
changes to the state diagram (figure 33) (carryover)

12 Schedule
12.1 Authorization of Ad Hoc Working Groups

No Ad Hoc meetings were authorized.

12.2 Long term meeting schedule
The meeting dates, locations, hosts, and contacts were reviewed through 
CY2005 (included below). 

CY 2004 Dates
Location
Host
Contact
#
February 24-26, 2004
Santa Clara, CA
NVIDIA
Mark Overby
45
April 20-22, 2004
Longmont, CO
Seagate 
Jim Hatfield
46
June 22-24, 2004
San Jose, CA
Phoenix
Mukesh Kataria
47
August 24-26, 2004
Longmont, CO
Maxtor
Mark Jackson
48
October 19-21, 2004
Las Vegas, NV
Fujitsu
Sumit Puri
49
December 14-16, 2004
Las Vegas, NV
Hitachi Global
Dan Colegrove
50
CY 2005 Dates
Location
Host
Contact
#
February 22-24, 2005
TBD
TBD
TBD
51
April 19-21, 2005
TBD, CO
Seagate
Jim Hatfield
52
June 21-23, 2005
TBD
TBD
TBD
53
August 23-25, 2005
TBD, CO
Maxtor
Mark Jackson
54
October 18-20, 2005
Las Vegas, NV
Fujitsu
Sumit Puri
55
December 13-15, 2005
Las Vegas, NV
Hitachi Global
Dan Colegrove
56
NOTE ? Meetings are scheduled for three days.


13 Adjournment

Greg Elkins moved that the meeting be adjourned. The motion passed with 
unanimous consent at 5:30 pm on Thursday December 17, 2003.



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