dove wrote: > On 8/28/07, Zico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On 8/27/07, dove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>
........ > > Absolutely, But I am not calcuating the level of purity of the people, > towards FOSS. FOSS activist do talk about expunging the proprietary one, > but they have a duo, :), > what I meant is first try to Migrate yourself and then others. Do you mean two-face politics? > Just talking about the FOSS and its advantages is not going to make a sense. > We need a lot, from the ground up. Yes and that is what is these FOSS Projects are trying to address, from bottom up. > The common consensus will be, in the implementation level. Lots of project > in Nepal such as NepaLiux, LTSP, OLPC and so on are claiming they have > heralded the arrival of FOSS in Nepal. But it is much to be discussed who > have done what actually :), You don't make sense. Could you please expound on it a bit more? > > lets have only a brief of it, > > NepaLinux > http://nepalinux.org > > NepaLinux seems to be doing fine, But what ?, why the situation is always > dismal in the real implementation level ? I don't know how many people are > the real users of NepaLinux , but I have just gone through it. The Nepali The real users of Nepalinux are anyone who needs localised version of Linux in Nepali. Be it Nepali, non-nepali, govt., schools, business without paying for the actual cost of the OS. They have the option to modify the OS freely with freedom (nishulka OS and not _cheap_ OS) to suit their need. > Desktop environment ,Nepali Input system and all most all of the Desktop > application are luring the users. But strenuous level of installation and > Hardware issues such as VGA problem is distressing. But I am not blaming > NepaLinux for it. It may be the issue of whole Linux. even Windows haven't > innate the better hardware support. Its ongoing process. No Linux distributions certainly doesn't have this problem. Nepalinux is still a young project. It's very easy to criticize a project but really really hard to come up with a _workable_ solution. With regards to your VGA problem, maybe your card is really really old or doesn't yet have driver. In that case, you should have done your homework and bought a card well supported by Nepalinux or other Gnu/Linux distro. > OLPC , > http://olpcnepal.org/ > the slogan or what to say, One Laptop Per Child > Quite quixotic project of Mr. Negroponte and a rhetoric slogan > > > Its just like making building in air. Is it possible ?, In modern computer The question of whether it's possible/impossible can not be made here in this list. Ofcourse, interaction using email helps but real work are being done by people like Shankar, Ankur and Himali dai and other OLPC-devel people who are working their *ss off and trying to get XO to the kids. I am proud of it and most importantly I believe in it. > science yes of course, in the animated movie : ha ha :), But sometimes back, > one of the minister has obliged its implementation. Why such, noxious plan > are deceiving the poor Nepalese people ? :(=. Ofcourse, Govt. help would be great (in terms of $$$ and man power) tara, this is a truly an education project which will have huge huge impact on the kids future in Nepal. The XO will replace the traditional pen& pencil and text books. Today's text book authors will provide the content in digital format (pdf, opendocument or text format) and they'll all run on localised version of XO in Nepali. I do know that what you are trying to say here is. Are you trying to say "Are we really addressing nepali kids future? or trying to shoot in the dark?" but let me mention that I think OLPC developers strongly feel that Nepali kids need new form of education where they are not restricted by the monetary cost of the books and have the proper tool to study what they are interested in. AFAIK this is a huge advantage. > One, poor Nepali child even can't afford the paper and pencil to write, book > to study and school to attend. The OLPC Nepal is talking about one laptop > per child and claiming that they don't need paper and pencil, laptop much > more efficient. quite ridiculous. See above. You are free to ridicule OLPC and other free projects but let me remind you that these kinds of projects are if looked through concrete eyes (without any bias towards one particular thing/person), one the most important steps Nepal has seen in a long time since democracy. > > > LTSP > Linux Terminal Server Project. > http://ltsp.org (no formal ltsp site for nepal) An organisation doesn't need a website to do work. Websites are there just to inform people what they are doing and things like that but other than that they do not serve real purpose. Yes, we could have a "Donate now" button but really it's nothing of a purpose especially that the project is so new. These things are of secondary importance right now. The main importance being getting the things _done_ like getting LTSP to maximum school as possible. > > LTSP project some what seems to be anachronism. But it is apparent that , > through the use of thin client LTSP is flexible and cost effective solutions > for empowering schools organisation and even cybers. Please use plain english. Lot of people are not educated in english and english need not be their primary language. And even to me you do not make sense. > > MPP and HLCIT are taking initiation in LTSP implementation. > Both as far I found through google, have run some of the pilot projects. > > http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/360/Nation/13814 > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg02743.html > Yes, MPP & HCLIT are taking the lead on this. However, one is to remind onself the importance & goal of these projects and not look at the economic benefits of those companies piloting the projects. Look, Arguments can be made either way (for & against) but I am sticking with these projects and hoping that one day every kids have XO and be able to study books in digital format, use Wireless communication and be able to communicate with their friends. That's the bottom line here. >>From this mail, by one of the foss activist, It is clear that 4 LTSP > projects had already been done in schools. > > But How much they do care and take the feedback from the schools ? , Do > they understand the real feelings of the schols and students?. If they were not interested in the kids future and Nepal's future in general, they wouldn't be doing the ltsp, olpc project in the first place. Ask this to yourself and try to answer it. I have found that _some_ Nepali people lack objective view. They see every little project as something which has hidden motive and reasoning behind it. Sure there is a motive of these projects, but it's not hidden. Sure there is a reasoning behind these projects and it's to educate kids of Nepal using modern methods and lessen the digital divide. That's how I see it. However, I am not imposing that other people should think this way. > How LTSP is focused on school as a technology or as a course ware system ? > LTSP as a technology in schools and even in telecenters seems cogent. > one issue, How if one schools with LTSP Lab setup wants to run computer > classes based on government curriculum. This is a challenging task which if properly done can be achieved. The govt. curriculum may need to be adjusted, changed. However, I am optimistic which leads me to think that it is POSSIBLE! LTSP is not courseware system per se. It provides the infrastructure in a much more cheaper manner. Have one server and lots of thin clients instead of allocating one computer each. That in my common sense is dirt cheap compared to one computer each which means that with the money allocated to one school to buy computers in the traditional setup, this could actually be used to setup LTSP in 1.5 - 2 schools! > computer is not only for the games to be played and some words to be typed > in editors. Yes. This is the fun part of the computing :-). Obviously there's the word processor and other suites of application from Open office. Then there's the programming aspect for students into Computer science, then there's image editing... so much that FOSS can provide with a fraction of cost compared to proprietary deployment of Microsoft at each computer + the aformentioned softwares in addition. > It is impossible to find the curriculum based on Linux for the secondary > Level. But, FOSS activist shouldn't be reluctant in this matter. Curriculum CAN NOT be based on Linux. Nobody ever mentioned AFAIK that a curriculum has to be based on Linux. If you mean that computer science students have to study Linux, then that's not true wholly. Computer science student will learn the same way as in M$ environment except they will be substituted by FOSS counterpart. For e.g., instead of GW Basic in M$, they'll use some FOSS Basic interpreter instead, C++ programming using G++_and_GDB instead or Java etc.. So, there's no question in that. They'll learn the typical programming as in M$ environment except using Linux as their OS. FYI, you might want to look at Germany where Linux accounts for nearly 80% of the OS market. If Germany can do it, why not Nepal? > I google and found several NGO and INGOS in Nepal such as Bellnet nepal, > Madan Puraskar Pustakalaya, OLPC Nepal, and so on. > > > My intention is not to undermine, discourage and denounce one particular > project.But What is true is that its only the warning the ting tong bell, to > those who are deceiving the poor Nepalese people to those project who are > much more lucrative doing only a minor work in the name of FOSS. Can you please prove your point? I am a Nepali outside Nepal but maybe I do not see with my naked eyes but FOSS project seems to be fairly straight forward where people are working hard and have pursued transparency and friendliness where necessary. Bottom line is that I don't see any sort of deception in progress. > Jaya Nepal, Jaya Nepal to you too brother! ;) -- thanks, nepBabu.cx ---- Q: What's a light-year? 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