bibek, I am afraid of being backfire your post but friends this is often true that FOSS are strange breeds, share hell of ‘dogmatic’ zealots.
You justified __enough__ about freedom. Nobody against FOSS, Linux and its movement. Its a right of individual to comment on the system that has a long standing weakness. The weakness lies everywhere. If dude tells you because UI was poor its not good to be aggressive or you should not assume that this is an attack on your or RMS's ideology. Take it for t granted -- there will be good and bad feedback. FOSS has long lasting problem of not being friendly in desktop realm. It will be absolutely ok with you but there are majority of people who finds still complicated. My very first posting refer the Gnome and in some extend KDE not realizing the basic problem. It is may be my too abstract thought, had mislead some of the posting. My tiny little brains says that GTK+ a base GUI library of Gnome. All that makes the bad choice of being used GTK+ are the only reason the Sugar Project is now in awkward shape. If I says Sugar failed it attacks too on GTK+. If GTK+ is being victimize then Gnome too gets in the list. Its not all about hatred its about struggle for user intituve and a friendly system. I have seen few desktop came through the system stage. There are people who love QT and hate KDE but there people like me who wants both to unite and envisaged ground-breaking desktop. This is what i have cited in many conference even to core-lead KDE developers. If this contradicts with your assumption then I am sorry. Sarose On Apr 25, 12:08 am, "Bibek Paudel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know what you were talking about in your last two posts, you > didnt find it necessary (or didn't you have enough words) to reply my > post. anyway, sarose, whoever you might be, but you are only making a > fool of yourself and you are making yourself appear very cheap and > unknowledgeable by writing whatever you have been writing. > > 1. about you being unknowledgeable: > > If you would have compared KDE or GNOME with Mac OS's UI, I would have > given a second's thought before replying you. You comparing > GNU/Linux's UI's with Windows only generates pity. Have you ever heard > of Beryl or Compiz, that have been so many times reiterated here in > this discussion? Have you ever met any of my countless friends (or any > such other users for that matter) who are from non Computer Science > background and who are more than happy to abandon Vista for a > GNU/Linus distro after a lot of frustation resulting from being a > slave to M$'s products? Have you ever met any of the end-users who > have been devasted by an endless series of virus+malware attacks on > their computer because they have been using an OS that is in itself a > malware? If not, please do a little bit of brushing up, go meet those > folks, get out of your little, protective coccon and find out. Then > come and reply here. > > 2. about you being cheap: > > You are talking of children and then at the same time pretending that > you care for them. Did you go to a school? Did your teachers ever want > you to come to class oiling your hair from a certain brand of a hair > oil? If yes, your teachers were cheap too. They were acting on behalf > of that company. > > Did you ever have had to submit a document specifically in a .doc > format, using Microsoft Windows? Did you ever have had to attend a > school where your presentation had to be made only in .ppt format > using Microsoft office of course? Did you ever have had to visit a > website that wanted you to be using Internet Explorer? If yes, all of > them who asked such are cheap as well. Microsoft Word documents, > Microsoft Internet Explorer and Microsoft Powerpoint presentations are > non-standard. What if I was in your class, and I didn't have the > enough money to buy Windows? Or I didn't have enough cheapness to use > its pirated version forcefully? You would buy it for me? Your teachers > would buy it for me? > > It is same as asking you to wear a specific brand of hair oil to > class. It assumes, you have to buy a Microsoft Windows at home too. Or > you have to pirate it (illegally of course). It doesn't leave any > other way. It is asking for you to become cheap too. It is asking for > you to neglect whatsoever there is in the world except Microsoft, > Adobe, or whatsoever. Get that? > > And you think we ca develop a sane, bright world by asking the kids to > use Windows? Go, brush up yourself again. Sugar is bad? Go develop > yourself, or ask someone to. People in MIT had enough money, > technology, will and capacity to do that. Your uncle Negroponte didn;t > have it. So what? You think we should follow him? No way. I am sure he > is taking himself down to some hell along with his original > popularity. If you wish, you can join him > > I only can offer my best wishes to you, there is no other hope. Good > luck, Sarose !! > > Cheers !! > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:20 PM, sarose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > basic instinct of diabetics. you start eating a hell of food and you > > never know when you > > got diabetics. u pissed off in your bed. the deadly sugar : Failed > > project in the history of OLPC. > > > Shame on them who never cared about the feedback that came with heavy > > criticism > > just to make things better. All failed because Sugar guys are genius > > and they no need > > any shit of suggestions. > > > its a blame game. go and do it. > > > On Apr 24, 5:48 pm, "Bibek Paudel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > While I personally think it is bad for OLPC to switch to Windows XP, > > > here a few observations that I have made: > > > > 1. Any development/education project meant for third world countries > > > is best when it is natively grown. A top down approach where some guy > > > in Boston teaches us how to change things in our neighbourhood is > > > never likely to understand and respect our situation and problems. He > > > has other priorities. A bottom-up approach should be devised where > > > grassroot organizations from different parts of the world collaborate > > > to form a mother organization that works in their benefit. Compare > > > this to Nepal's political situation where every other politician/media > > > claims to represent the people and be working for them. Things won't > > > that way in technology too. > > > > 2. Nicholas Negroponte is a man hungry of some position in history of > > > business and humanity, both. He thinks increasing the sales of laptops > > > is more important than the growing impact it is creating. Selling a > > > qarter of a million of laptops is a success by any means for any > > > profit-organization. I don't understand how it is not sufficient in > > > case of a first-of-its-kind project by a non-profit organization. > > > > 3. Nicholas Negroponte doesn't care. Using Windows in XOs has many > > > implications. Besides cost and the performance of the laptops, it > > > means you are forcing a company's products on all children. Compare > > > that to a government policy whereby it makes every school going > > > children mandatory to wear dresses from a certain dress-designing > > > company or study books from a certain publisher (eg. Ekta publishers). > > > Thats why we have a government book publisher and curriculum designer > > > in Nepal and government can't recommend any other books. I don't > > > understand how someone can impose the monopoly of using a > > > vendor-specific software on all kids. And why governments all over the > > > world should abide by that. > > > > 4. The issue of "amorphic" development of XO as said by Negroponte is > > > at best ridiculous. Having the best of the world's technology, > > > engineers and money at MIT, it shocks me how he allowed a project of > > > OLPC's scale fall at the hands of people who neither could have a good > > > architect for the software or the capacity to develop them > > > "morphically". Had he never heard of the term "software engineering" > > > before? Why was the decision taken in first place? > > > > 5. What are all the people spread all over supposed to make of the > > > recent developments? At the behest of a single man or a group of such > > > men, should they be forced to change their working style, philosophy > > > and way of seeing things? > > > > 6. I wish someone starts a fork of Sugar and everything OLPC. Why not > > > Walter Bender? Start a fork. Or else the people at OLPC, if you have > > > all the democracy and its powers, why don't you remove such people who > > > are moving away from the OLPC's original principles? I just hope > > > something of similar nature happens. > > > > If you agree with me, please forward this message to other mailing > > > lists of OLPC where people are likely to respond to this issue. > > > > Cheers ! > > > Bibek > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:50 PM, sarose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > hey dude! your grandpa is great but you know my uncle Negroponte is > > > > fool nonsense because he now hate Linux. > > > > > About Ubuntu, i don't know how to pronounce it. Please teach me as > > > > well. > > > > > Try a survey with your friends or co-workers around. The answer > > > > screams cries utterly. Don't forget to submit back to Uncle > > > > Negroponte. > > > > > On Apr 24, 4:12 pm, Zico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:42 PM, sarose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > yes its bad news and a good lesson for the gnome/kde that has not > > come > > > > > > up with user friendly UI till this date. > > > > > > You are very wrong, brother! Don`t you see the *blinking things* of > > > > > gnome/kde? And, how do you define "friendly user interface"? What > > more do > > > > > you expect from Gnome/KDE? Please point out, we will be really glad > > to hear > > > > > that. > > > > > > just stop saying linux is ready for desktop. > > > > > > Why should we do that?? > > > > > > > neither its ready for my > > > > > > dad nor its ready for my little brother. > > > > > > I don`t know about your dad or younger brother, but Ubuntu is ready > > for my > > > > > grandfather. Now, i am teaching my grandmother to use computer ( in > > one > > > > > word, Ubuntu ). > > > > > > all its ready > > > > > > > for is server only. > > > > > > Very wrong. > > > > > By the way, which distro do you use? > > > > > > -- > > > > > Best, > > > > > Z > > > > -- > > > > Bibek Paudel.http://blog.bibekpaudel.com.np/ > > > ============================== > > -- > Bibek Paudel.http://blog.bibekpaudel.com.np/ > ============================== --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ FOSS Nepal mailing list: [email protected] http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
