I don't understand why you have to write your docs in Fossil's formatting 
"language". Isn't that equivalent to being constrained to a particular 
programming language by the scm system? 


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Michael L. Barrow

On May 15, 2010, at 5:23, Gour <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 15 May 2010 07:11:35 -0400
>>>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Hipp wrote:
> 
> Dear Richard,
> 
> Richard> HTML is not "complete" enough?  What do you want to do (or for
> Richard> that matter what does any other wiki system do) that you can't
> Richard> do (in a more "standard" way, I should add) with HTML?
> 
> it is not point that HTML is not "complete", but it is simply too
> cumbersome to write documentation in HTML.
> 
> Probably, that's why we have wikis and so many different kind of
> markup languages.
> 
> For the same reason (cumberness), I do not use e.g. DocBook, but
> prefer more readable formats like Markdown and/or RestructuredText.
> 
> Richard> The philosophy of Fossil Wiki is to provide simple and common
> Richard> wiki-style markup to accomplish 90% of what you need, then
> Richard> allow the use of HTML for the other 10%.  
> 
> Fossil's wiki is simply too limiting. E.g. "Only a single level of
> bullet list is supported by wiki. For nested lists, use HTML." is not
> acceptable for the writing docs, but I believe there is no need to
> repeat oneself since there are so many messages which were discussing
> the issues and several people expressed their sentiments in regard.
> 
> Richard>HTML is seen as superior to increasingly arcane Wiki
> Richard> formatting for the complicated stuff because (1) most
> Richard> programmers already know HTML so there is nothing new to
> Richard> learn, 
> 
> Why you restrict usage of (Fossil) SCM only to programmers?
> 
> I use SCM for ALL my writings and majority of that is not the code.
> 
> Richard> (2) HTML is a standard, 
> 
> Yes, afaict, people desiring to see 'standard' wiki were/are ready to
> accept ANY COMPLETE wiki since it means support for converting,
> editing-modes etc, i.e. one can do ALL the documentation in the one
> wiki markup.
> 
> Richard> (3) HTML allows you to do just about whatever you want to do
> Richard> in a web browser - it is "complete".  
> 
> The point is that by using e.g. Markdown/reST (along with Pandoc) it
> enables me to target not only HTML, but many other formats like PDF
> (check http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/)
> 
> Richard> You can disagree with the design choice here.  
> 
> I do. :-)
> 
> Richard> But please distinguish between a lack of understanding and a
> Richard> disagreement.
> 
> I understand it is your choice since Fossil is your offspring.
> 
> Richard> The "fossil ui" command lets you do exactly that.  I use
> Richard> Fossil daily for work on SQLite.  I normally enter and/or edit
> Richard> tickets off-line (using the "fossil ui" command) then push
> Richard> them up to the servers later.  
> 
> btw, what do you think about:
> 
> http://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/tktview?name=3e3018e96f ?
> 
> Richard>This is the standard way of working with Fossil.
> 
> Ahh...
> 
> Richard> I am sorry that you were left with the impression that one
> Richard> had to be online and connected to a server to work with
> Richard> Fossil tickets.  I thought the documentation was reasonably
> Richard> clear on the point that tickets and wiki could be edited
> Richard> offline.  Perhaps I can find a way to make it clearer.
> 
> I believe there is no need to clarify documents...The problem was that
> I was so absorbed in cli-interface (reading roundup docs) that I
> completely forgot about 'fossil ui'.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Gour
> 
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