At the risk of going off topic and for what it's worth I generally use a 
mind-mapping package for managing most of my projects (both personally and 
professionally). It allows the design to be mapped out to any degree of detail 
that I like and decent one allows notes to be added to each item and icons to 
be applied to them. The note can contain anything from functional outline to 
implementation details (including tracking ticket number and check-in revision 
when implemented or modified). The graphical nature allows me to quickly add 
ideas for new features, bug notifications or even restructure the entire 
layout. Some programs even go as far as allowing Gant charts or similar to be 
generated if more detailed planning is required but I never really need to go 
that far personally. Most of them are now capable of collaboration through the 
cloud. An alternative would be to use a GTD (Getting Things Done) type 
application for those people who are more 'list-based'. The bottom line i
 s probably a sufficient range of programs out there that allow you to do 
pretty much the sort of things that have been suggested without going back to 
the drawing board as tempting as this often is! 

Ok, I will shut up now :-)

Bob Bellchambers-Wilson

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To: Fossil SCM user's discussion
Subject: Re: [fossil-users] [OT] Who's interested in project management & 
collaboration tools? And...

On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 08:07:15AM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> 
> >From the free software side - the number of people on any given
> project is limited to like 5. Most projects either have no more major 
> contributors or naturally decompose into multiple parts where the 
> number of people involved in any given part is very low. eg. the Linux 
> kernel has subsystems, ...
> Very few people are major contributors to more than 1-2 projects at a time.

In addition to this, open source projects tend, in my experience and 
observations, to prefer either simple tools that don't depend on much (thus 
reducing the bar to entry for use by a wide range of people) or approaches, 
formats, and protocols that are well served by a wide range of tools so that 
there is a standardized process but not a standardized toolset.  That doesn't 
even address the fact that these projects also don't tend to bother using tools 
with subscription fees.


> 
> And I guess you are not reaching people. How would you reach people 
> through kickstart is a mystery to me, tbh. It's not like people 
> regularly look there thinking along the lines of "what am I going to 
> sponsor today?"

Big, successful kickstarter campaigns tend to be the campaigns created by 
people, projects, or organizations that already have a strong fan or follower 
base.  Build the social capital first, then spend it on a kickstarter campaign.


> 
> All in all if you are project manager you can try to develop a project 
> management software as a hobby but expecting $65k funding from random 
> people does not look realistic.

In general, I'd expect that project management software is not the kind of 
thing that gets built on community enthusiasm, for many of the reasons you 
brought up (mostly elided here), but also because it's the kind of thing that 
gets used by corporate business organizations -- and most of them already have 
something they're using across the entire organization by mandate from rather 
high up the hierarchy.  To break into that, you need organizations that need a 
new solution *now* to pick what you're providing, which means it has to already 
be finished before they consider it.  In short, you have to hope that what you 
want to create will be a "build it and they will come" situation.

--
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] 
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