Sue Gardner wrote:
> I've been meaning to reply in this thread to what Jussi said. (Sorry to not 
> reply inline; I'm on my Blackberry.)
>
>   
First of all, can I ask as a favor that you never again refer to me as 
"Jussi". Jussi is my grandpa.
I am Jussi-Ville, or "J-V" (Jay-Vee) for short. Often also known by my 
TLA "JVH" in contexts of
people like Mike Godwin, who date me from the early ages of the 
internet. I am not offended,
but I do want to make it clear that referring to me as "Jussi" does have 
significance.

> Jussi said he's only seen comments on the licensing issue from the staff, and 
> not from the board. That may be true on this list, and it may be true for the 
> specific piece of the conversation that interests him; I'm not sure.
>
> But I do want to point out two things.
>
> 1) At its January meeting, the board developed and unanimously voted to 
> approve, a statement in favour of migration. I think it was included in my 
> January report that was published here on foundation-l a few weeks ago. If 
> I'm wrong and the full statement's not in in that report, let me know and 
> I'll send it to this list. (Or Domas will, or another board member will.)
>
> 2) Also at the January board meeting, the board made an explicit request to 
> staff and board members, to publicly speak their minds on this issue.  Some 
> people probably would do that anyway, but the board wanted to explicitly 
> request it in this case.  Why?  Because the license migration issue is pretty 
> complex, and not everyone understands it well.
> Basically, people fall into three camps. 1., Those who are already 
> knowledgeable, and have developed a position.  2., Those who aren't yet 
> knowledgeable, but plan to read up in advance of the vote, in order to 
> develop a position. And 3., those who don't plan to read up, and would rather 
> trust others (board, staff, other volunteers) to do the research on their 
> behalf, and to advise them. The board is encouraging knowledgeable staff and 
> board members to express their opinions, as a service for those latter two 
> groups.
>
> That is why you're hearing a lot from Erik and Mike in the license migration 
> threads. Because they're knowledgeable about the issue, and the board has 
> asked them to share what they think :-)
>
>   

These are valuable words. I genuinely trust that what has been generated 
has not been
only heat, but there has been some illumination shed on the issues as well.

Personally as I have said before I am somewhat wanly satisfied with 
where we stand at
the moment, provided there will be no back-sliding later. In an ideal 
world I would prefer
multi-licensing under *all* localized versions of CC-BY-SA 3.0 and a TOS 
that would
pre-emptively require assent to multi-licensing under any future 
localized versions. That
way the issue would squarely land on the re-user, and not on who adds 
material. That
is the editor wouldn't have to choose the jurisdictive limits of their 
licensing, but the
one creating a work outside wikimedia would have to do so. But it isn't 
clear that we
do live in an ideal world. ;-)


Yours, no offense taken nor hopefully given,

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen


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