Pedro Sanchez commented on a few of my points, but mistakenly removed my byline, making Yaroslav look like the author. These are responses to Pedro's comments.
Pedro Sanchez<[email protected]> wrote: > And english wikipedia has several mailing lists to deal with its own issues. > Foundation-l is for wikimedia-wide issues. The point is that to a certain degree we can make requests for new lists, which are handled by the foundation, and hosted by the foundation. And of course a new list has certain foundation-wide effects, so that's yet another reason. But if your criticism of this discussion here boils down to something like "go away" please just say so. > This is like justifying that discussing english wikipedia issues would be ok > on the spanish wikinews mailing list (because both are mailing lists hosts > on wikimedia server) Since the beginning, all Wikimedia-wide issues have been discussed in English, and we have seen serious representation, even if not ample or even sufficient representation, from other languages and cultures. Every non-English wiki and mailing list was started by a request made in English to the then-current proper venue: Wikipedia-l, wikien-l, intlwiki-l, wikitech-l, etc. have all been 'proper venues' at one time or another. > The "functionaries" thing is an english wikipedia thing. New wikis, new > mailing lists, everything.. is also setup by employees. Yet we have a > mailing list for commons, a mailing list for french wikipedia, etc I did not know functionaries-l is for en.wiki only. Generally, the proper form would then be functionaries-en-l. But this gets into the general problematic issues regarding how a global project is largely managed by a small group of English-speaking people. Forming a U.S.-based foundation also contributes to the problem. But in reality, things have to get done, and we do them in English. I did start a discussion on wikien-l, but foundation personnel did not participate. Talking about things here may mean that wikien-l people don't participate, but I can rectify that oversight with a quick announce note there. > And where's consensus that other wikis want THAT? And it should be proposed > on meta if you want to claim support from all wikimedia We're discussing it now. A meta page is a possibility. > So? Moving it up to global mailing list where most people won't care about > english wikipedia will solve it? Hm. Interesting point that people on foundation-l have not even a tangential interest in its flagship project. I mean, just to break it down for you, en.wiki has ~3 million articles, while de.wiki has ~1 million. Throw in some kind of quantitative/qualitative differentials between English und German language facility and usage, and that 3-1 ratio becomes something like 19-1. Hence whatever substance was in your comment is negated. > If you have troubles with cary deal them with him, I emailed him directly. No response. I tried starting a 100 email thread on wikein-l. No notice. I filed a bug/request. No response. The point, I suppose, is that I am dealing with him, and anyone whom might be treating him like a functionary. > stop polluting inboxes from unrelated parties This is unnecessary. If you don't want to read something, don't. > Alright, so it's all about shouting louder to get what you want Well, I did wait patiently for a month. And I do sashimi BS well enough. I just don't see how any of that equates to "shouting." -Steven _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
