2009/8/24 Andrew Turvey <[email protected]> > First, if the conclusion is that no procedure exists, a notice should be > put on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projectsstating > this so that peoples' expectations are appropriately managed.
Good idea, I added a note on the top of the page "Apart from the common practices below, there is no official policy on closing projects". Second, is that correct? Looking at > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Herero_Wikipediait > seems that there certainly was a procedure in the past where articles > were shifted back into the Incubator. > There is no procedure in the sense of how to reach a consensus to close the wiki. Moving pages to Incubator is what comes *after* the wiki is closed, to give a future community the chance to build a new wiki at the Incubator. Imagine if you work on a small project knowing that if the project is closed, all your work is gone (until the wiki is opened again - which has never happened before afaik). Most importantly, should there be a procedure? Keeping projects open is a > drain on resources, such as removing vandalism. There is a level of activity > below which the positive benefits of the project are outweighed by the > drain, although it's clearly not worth closing a project if the effort to do > this is not a worthwhile investment. > When looking at the recent changes and logs of several wikis proposed to be closed, the amount of vandalism in the past year was very low. I guess vandalism on big projects requires much more work than all those small wikis together. Overall, I agree with Gerard. What I don't like is that proposals stay open for years without even being closed as "inactive proposal for closure" (ironically). Or, the opposite, a lot of discussion to close a relatively low-active project in a major language. In this case, Dutch Wikinews. ----- "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> > > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" < > [email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, 20 August, 2009 19:01:39 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Closure of projects > > > > Hoi, > > There is no procedure because what comes closest to a consensus amount to > a > > lot of work. Work that does not forward our mission one iota. The fact > that > > people vote and comment is not that special, people do ... if they vote > that > > I will wear a tutu at Wikimania and a consensus says that I should, I > still > > have to volunteer to wear that tutu. It is the same as voting for a bug > in > > bugzilla. The votes are not considered so why bother ? > > > > As to the language committee, it does only consider new requests for > > projects ... if it were to expand its services it would be in indicating > > what issues exist that deal with language support that would make a > > difference to the usability of our software. It would not be drinking > from > > the poisoned chalice that is closing projects. The closest we came to > > expressing an opinion is that we would prefer the content of a to be > closed > > project to be imported into the Incubator. This is a not good for > Incubator > > because they get dead wood loaded into their project .... > > > > So all in all in my opinion it is best to leave these things as is and > > ignore requests for closure. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > 2009/8/20 Huib! <[email protected]> > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I noticed that there are still a lot of open request for closure on > Meta > > > so I decided to contact a LangCom member (Robin) asking him about how > > > and when the projects will be closed or when the requests will be > > > closed, but I recieved a answer I didn't expected. > > > > > > Robin told me there was no policy ( > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closure_of_WMF_projects ) about the > > > closure of projects so the request can stay open for always. > > > > > > > > > I think its kind of strange that we people can make a request, that > > > there are people who are voting and spending there time commenting on > > > the request or even worse have stress because there project could be > > > closed but the request will never be closed. > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to change this with a new policy, or with a different > com > > > for the closure, because this seems to me a waste of time for a lot of > > > people, people can stop editting projects just because the think the > > > project will be closed. > > > > > > At this moment there are 27 request for projects to be closed, ( > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects ) I > think > > > 50% is a easy closure for keep or close. The oldest project is from > 2007 > > > that would mean its still open after 2 years :/ > > > > > > -- > > > *Huib Laurens* > > > > > > Web: Forgotten-beauty.com <http://www.forgotten-beauty.com.com/> > > > Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
