On 2 Jun 2010, at 22:51, Gregory Maxwell wrote:

> A tiny benefit to a hundred
> million people wouldn't justify making wikipedia very hard to use for
> a hundred thousand

Can you justify that the change has now made it very hard for users of those 
interlanguage links? Given that it's now one click away (click on 'languages' 
in the sidebar) the first time, and then it stays there afterwards (this menu 
does stay expanded after the first time it's opened, right?), I wouldn't have 
thought that would make it very hard.

I would support it being expanded by default, though (even though I rarely use 
it myself) simply because it's a lot less intuitive to find the language links 
now, and they're a big part of our mission (as Aryeh and others pointed out). 
It would also be nice if there were a link along the lines of "can't find the 
article in your language? start it!" (e.g. red interlanguage links).

As a very general observation: all of the Wikimedia wikis (both different 
languages and different projects) are essentially islands, with very few 
non-obvious bridges linking them together, which is a real shame. We need to 
build better bridges, and encourage people to use them more!

Mike Peel
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