On 25 August 2010 23:42, Michael Peel <[email protected]> wrote: > Erm ... huh? > > 1) If you're interested in helping, and have experience/knowledge of > languages, then get involved with the committee. > > 2) They're getting things achieved - they're fostering the development of > new language projects, making decisions, getting the projects started, and > doing this in a very effective way. Compare this with the ineffectual > procedure for starting an entirely new project in any language, which hasn't > gotten anywhere in the last 3(?) years. > > I agree the committee did a good job in their mission and I'm not generalizing my critique, I misworded my comment.
3) Please point to _recent_ examples where they've made a bad choice (i.e. > Klingon doesn't count, as that was before their time). I'm not aware of any. > > I'm not willing to open a long discussion on something that most people are not willing to reconsider and I respected that and left the newly-opened project to see what will happen. However, the main point that triggered my comment was that I was just browsing through and found really a poor standard of language and articles that I even felt uncomfortable that the Wikipedia logo was over there. I just hope that in the future the process will be more transparent and considers all sides of the matter. I hope no one were offended as I didn't mean it this way, and if in anyway I could help I won't hesitate to step in. I agree that it's not good that they have a hidden discussion forum; as much > as possible of the discussion leading up to a new project should be public, > and i can't see a reason for secrecy. Apart from that, though, I don't > understand these (somewhat bitchy) comments at all... > > Mike > > On 25 Aug 2010, at 21:21, Mohamed Ibrahim wrote: > > > On 25 August 2010 23:01, Muhammad Yahia <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Mark Williamson <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language > >>> Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community > >>> oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of > >>> "experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down > >>> judgements about the rest of the world's languages from their > >>> overwhelmingly European ivory tower. It seems we as a community of > >>> people who care deeply about the future of potential new languages and > >>> the success of existing language versions within our Wikimedia > >>> community have no choice but to watch from the sidelines as they do > >>> what they please. > >>> > >>> -m. > >>> > >>> > >> +1 > >> > >> Add to that the fact that a portion of their discussion archives is > >> deliberately hidden from the public as if they are debating state > security > >> issues. So even after a decision is taken, we only have a patchy view of > >> the > >> process that led to that decision. > >> > >> -- > >> Best Regards, > >> Muhammad Yahia > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > > > I agree with what Muhammad and Mark has said > > it's a pity that such resolutions that affect the whole community is > > controlled like this.. > > resulting in such projects that really make Wikimedia looks like a host > for > > childish projects that's > > written in a funny language never seen written before in > > any respectable scientific book, website, etc.. > > > > -- > > - Arabic Wikipedia: http://ar.wikipedia.org/ "Share your knowledge" > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- - Arabic Wikipedia: http://ar.wikipedia.org/ "Share your knowledge" _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
