On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:41 PM, dinar qorbanof <[email protected]> wrote:
> :) ok then. thank you. i should ask first whether wikipedia collects logs. > > 2010/11/28 aude <[email protected]>: > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I'm afraid our Tatar is correct in some senses and others in this thread > >> are in a failing or failed mode. > >> > >> Each web server, of which the WMF has a few, collects details on the > >> behaviour of IPs, in logs. Those logs can be and probably have been > >> requested by > >> certain government officials, most likely for the purpose of tracking > down > >> who is behind a certain "Bad" posting to a BLP. > >> > >> > > CheckUser data (IPs of editors) are kept for 3 months. > > > > > http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php?view=markup > > > > WMF does not keep apache logs which would track what pages people are > > reading.'' > > > > http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/httpd.conf (see CustomLog which is > commented > > out, meaning that access logs are not kept) > > > > There are some logs for the squid servers which are used to generate page > > view stats, but those take a 1/1000 sample and there are full squid logs > for > > click throughs on the fundraising banners. > > > > http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Squid_logging > > > > So, we do not have readership logs except for the sampled squid logs. > For > > performance reasons, it's not desirable to collect more detailed logs, > nor > > would we really want them. > > > > -Katie (@aude) > > > > > >> In addition, courts can make such orders in order to determine an > otherwise > >> "John Doe" named in a suit, such as for libel, etc. It's happened it > will > >> continue to happen, the WMF does keep such logs. > >> > >> Knowing the IP, it can then be tracked back to that user's ISP and a log > >> again requested to determine the exact person, or at least business or > >> household, who used the IP at that exact time. So playing with words, > >> doesn't let > >> us get around that point. > >> > >> I'm still not clear why we would want to know the IP exactly for > analytical > >> purposes. Some intrepid programmer could write a program which would > >> simply collect detailed analysis of a person's in-world behaviour and > call > >> them > >> "Bob992" instead of 13.42.204.192 or whatever. Making the information > >> packets anonymous. That would still allow any sort of analysis the > Tatars > >> want to > >> make, and not reveal any private information. > > > > > >> W > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > and i write again, do not you or somebody know why my messages are not > published in the official mail archive? i do not format my message > correctly? > > I don't know. :/ -Katie (aude) _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
