No Momo, your user page will be User:Mono as always. _____ *Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484*
2011/2/13 The Mono <[email protected]> > So my user page would be at Male:Mono or Man:Mono? > > On Sunday, February 13, 2011, Lodewijk <[email protected]> > wrote: > > To be absolutely clear: I am not against the feature, I am just > > against applying it to every user that indicated his/her gender > > without asking. Up to now (afaik) the male/female setting was only > > used for communication *to* the user: that is private. To turn on > > suddenly a feature that shows this also explicitely to the outside > > world is a whole different thing. > > > > Also, in some languages the difference between male/female maybe exist > > if you search hard (like Dutch), but are not commonly used (like > > gebruikster - I never ever heard that being used in common > > conversations). I am just saying that we should not force these > > changes on communities and groups of people without consulting them. > > They know their language best and how common the term is, how it comes > > across culturally etc. The fact that a term exists doesnt mean we > > should use it. I also agree with Austin that it should be even better > > to determine it as well on a personal level. But I would make it a two > > level choice: first the community should decide to turn it on in the > > first place in their wiki, then the user should decide to turn it on > > in their individual case. > > > > Lodewijk > > > > 2011/2/13 Austin Hair <[email protected]>: > >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Béria Lima <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> Lodewijk: Gerard, this wouldn't really help to attract more new female > >>>> users. > >>> > >>> Could you please tell me why? I can set my preferences to "male" or > >>> "female", but i can't see my "user" page with my real gender. And yes, > that > >>> is a matter of choice, you can say that not every girl will like to be > >>> called "usuária" or Gebruikster" or "Benutzerin", but if you guys > change the > >>> MediaWiki they can have the power to chose. And right now we don't have > >>> that, do we? > >> > >> I won't speak for Lodewijk, but what I understood him to mean was that > >> you wouldn't know about the feature until you've already created an > >> account, so it doesn't *attract* them. One might argue that it helps > >> *keep* them, but that's a different matter. > >> > >>>> Austin: Like with many European languages, the masculine is the > default > >>>> and feminine suffixes are added only for emphasis, which is pretty > >>>> anti-feminist, and it doesn't help that the feminine forms are related > to or > >>>> even the same as the diminutive forms. > >>> > >>> Anti feminist and partenalist is see several guys deciding what we want > or > >>> don't want in our user pages. We are not here to change French or > German > >>> grammar, if the feminine is made by adding a sufix, is a local language > >>> problem (btw, in portuguese, the male version is also a "sufix", so is > >>> "usuário / usuária). Again here we are not change grammar, we are only > >>> talking about give girls the "possibility" to be called by the right > form in > >>> the MediaWiki system. > >>> > >>>> Austin: It seems more like an individual preference to me. > >>> > >>> It is a individual preference. But a preference you people don't seems > to > >>> want us to decide if we want of not. > >> > >> I think you misunderstand me. I think it *should* be an individual > >> preference. What I argue against is making that decision for everyone. > >> Lodewijk is worried about making that decision for communities whose > >> linguistic and/or cultural norms might be different; I take it one > >> step further and say the individual should be able to do that, if it's > >> to be done at all. > >> > >> (And as long as we're picking nits: I don't speak Portuguese, but I do > >> speak Spanish, so I'm guessing that one male user and three female > >> users are still collectively usuários?) > >> > >> But back to your first point: > >> > >>>> Lodewijk and Thomas: so why change it to something causing problems > all > >>>> over the place, not only technical ones? > >>> > >>> Why? Maybe to call a girl by her real gender. The problems you both > listed > >>> are not real problems. The male version is only used if you don't know > the > >>> gender. But all wikimedia know that Sue (for example) is a girl, so why > we > >>> still need to see a male word in her "user" page? > >> > >> This may be important to you in your language, but it may not be > >> important to others (in fact, they might resent being explicitly > >> labeled as a woman), if it's even a distinction made in that language. > >> > >> Austin > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > -- > *Mono* > http://enwp.org/m:User:Mono > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
