On 9 September 2011 12:54, Kim Bruning <k...@bruning.xs4all.nl> wrote: > After that, we get back to the side effects of regular (non-wikipedia > kind) filters. This information is well documented all over the net. > You'll discover that not just images, but also the pages those images > are on will not be reachable. We've been told on this list that this > already happens to some people today. It seems pretty obvious that > the effect will be much multiplied once the categories are available > to third parties.
Note that this is what the Internet Watch Foundation does to block images. (Thus, they blocked Wikipedia article text, but not the image itself, which was on a different server.) Censors tend not to worry about collateral damage. Is the WMF claiming the filter will be free of side-effects? [ ] yes [ ] no If yes, then how so? If no, then "just don't use the feature" is a nonsense. >> And how is bias being introduced into my views by being able to go >> to [[Cock ring]] and not seeing a picture of a penis? I fail to >> see how being able to opt-out of saucy sex pics actually moves us >> in any significant way closer to a world where we live in "filter >> bubbles". > I just provided you with 2 steps in that direction, pretty much the > first moves on the blue-team and red-team sides. > On or around move 2 (6-12 months) we can start seeing people either > deliberately or accidentally start filtering things that are nothing > to do with sex or drugs at all, up to and including censoring of > civic information. > This has happened with filters in the past. I don't yet see why our > filters wouldn't follow the same playbook. So far, there is nothing > to differentiate our history from existing history. > "But ours will be different" is not an argument. ;-) Indeed. Substantive answers to these points would be welcomed. From the board, since they've determined the filter is happening. - d. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l