On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Oliver Keyes <scire.fac...@gmail.com>wrote:
> You seem to be missing my point - that the WL tool serves an ulterior > function of allowing users who do not understand markup to communicate and > request help in a way they can understand. I *am* saying that most of those > with few or no edits will have problems understanding markup, which is why > it's important, even without WL's core purpose, that the tool remain > available to new editors. > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Fae <f...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > > > On 30 October 2011 08:06, Oliver Keyes <scire.fac...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Surely making it only available to those users who understand markup > > > completely undermines one of the great unintended consequences - that > > it's > > > really useful for posting talkpage messages? > > > > I did not equate "users with 10 edits" with those that understand > > markup, these are different things. My use of the word "template" is > > generic, in that Wikilove provides standard templates for user talk > > pages, this does not imply anything about the ability of users to > > understand wiki markup or html. > > > > Apologies if my language was not plain enough to avoid > > misinterpretation in unexpected ways. > > > > Cheers, > > Fae > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > Those are two separate things. One, the delivery mechanism for Wikilove, a pop-up window on top of the userpage to select and click on a pretty picture and add a message. Second, the actual content, the barn-star/kitty/food template. I disagree with Ironholds that it would be easier for a new users to navigate the hundreds of pages of commonly used templates and then find the right one to use and then use it correctly after customizing it, as opposed to you know, leaving a message in plain English. Last I checked, "pseudo-HTML markups" weren't a necessity for posting on a talk page. It prob. takes someone at least a good 50-100 edits before they even know what a template is, then using and customizing the right one might take longer. The delivery mechanism on the other hand is what I think is very useful for new users. There is an enormous amount of benefit if that could be customized for new users pre-loaded with some generic help templates they can actually use to edit, rather than spam love. Theo _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l