I was saying that the WL layout > posting on talkpages ;p. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Oliver Keyes <scire.fac...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > You seem to be missing my point - that the WL tool serves an ulterior > > function of allowing users who do not understand markup to communicate > and > > request help in a way they can understand. I *am* saying that most of > those > > with few or no edits will have problems understanding markup, which is > why > > it's important, even without WL's core purpose, that the tool remain > > available to new editors. > > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Fae <f...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > On 30 October 2011 08:06, Oliver Keyes <scire.fac...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Surely making it only available to those users who understand markup > > > > completely undermines one of the great unintended consequences - that > > > it's > > > > really useful for posting talkpage messages? > > > > > > I did not equate "users with 10 edits" with those that understand > > > markup, these are different things. My use of the word "template" is > > > generic, in that Wikilove provides standard templates for user talk > > > pages, this does not imply anything about the ability of users to > > > understand wiki markup or html. > > > > > > Apologies if my language was not plain enough to avoid > > > misinterpretation in unexpected ways. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Fae > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > Those are two separate things. One, the delivery mechanism for Wikilove, a > pop-up window on top of the userpage to select and click on a pretty > picture and add a message. Second, the actual content, the > barn-star/kitty/food template. > > I disagree with Ironholds that it would be easier for a new users to > navigate the hundreds of pages of commonly used templates and then find the > right one to use and then use it correctly after customizing it, as opposed > to you know, leaving a message in plain English. Last I checked, > "pseudo-HTML markups" weren't a necessity for posting on a talk page. > > It prob. takes someone at least a good 50-100 edits before they even know > what a template is, then using and customizing the right one might take > longer. > > The delivery mechanism on the other hand is what I think is very useful for > new users. There is an enormous amount of benefit if that could be > customized for new users pre-loaded with some generic help templates they > can actually use to edit, rather than spam love. > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l