In the 1990s I used Epic at Thomson Corporation, a publisher, and I
  currently use it at UGS Corp., a manufacturing software company. You
  are correct when you say that Epic is better for major corporations.
  The cost per seat is much higher than Framemaker and even slight
  changes to DTD, CMS, or output systems within such corporations
  usually result in correcting XML code several times a year, at least
  in my experience. I wish we were using Frame, even though that
  wouldn't solve this problem. Although many writers who previously only
  used Word (ugh) but can't stand Epic are complaining at UGS, the
  company won't go to Frame because of the large number of projects and
  global writing groups here. It looks like they're leaning toward
  XMetal Pro as an editor.
  I interviewed at ArborText in Ann Arbor, MI, some time ago and it's a
  bizarre company. The Epic UI hasn't changed since the beginning and
  often results in typos because it is essentially non-WYSIWYG. While
  XML is supposed to separate coding and writing, Epic does the
  opposite. I'm comfortable with it because I've used it for so long,
  but many writers write in a text editor and then paste into Epic and
  format it as a second step, or refuse to use it altogether.
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    From:  Steve Rickaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    To:  Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
    [email protected]
    Subject:  Re: Frame vs Arbortext
    Date:  Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:17:56 +0100
    >At 20:17 -0400 25/4/07, Diane Gaskill wrote:
    >
    > >Hello Frameratti,
    >
    >I like that... but shouldn't it be 'Framerati'? You might be
    thinking of 'Frameretti', i.e. little Framers ;-)
    >
    > >Remember the old days when we had debates and comparisons
    between the dreaded Word and Frame?  Well, now it seems that the
    new competitor is Arbortext.  I had my manager convinced to switch
    from Word to FM, even got the ok to build the templates (done),
    when along comes a VP in one of our offshore offices who thinks
    using Arbortext is better and convinces my manager to have us look
    at it too.
    >
    >I know only what I have read on this list, although it's a subject
    I keep an eye on. My suggestion would be to carefully calculate
    total cost of ownership of both options. From what I've heard,
    almost everything is a mega-cost-plus option in Arbortext. Someone
    who'd set up their own system at their own expenses a couple of
    years ago was posting here, and I got the impression that although
    you can get up and running with Epic at around the same cost as
    FrameMaker, just to *print* anything, for example, was a few
    thousand dollars more.
    >
    >These tools seem to be priced for major corporates, not for single
    writers or small authoring teams.
    >
    >--
    >Steve
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