Dov said: <Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe PDF) printer default won't solve the problem since Times is not a native font of the Distiller.>
I believe that anyone old enough (like me) to own a license to Distiller 3 actually have the Base 13 font files in Type 1 format handy (4 x Times, 4 x Helvetica, 4 x Courier and Symbol). I'm unsure about licensing, though, especially if you upgraded from Acrobat 3. In case of *upgrade* the newer license agreement may supersede the older version license, and since the base 13 fonts was removed from 4 (or 5, I'm unsure which version, actually) your current license agreement may not cover use of the old version fonts. Dov, what is correct here ??? Best regards Jacob Schäffer Grafikhuset Denmark > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Dov Isaacs > Sendt: 10. september 2008 21:19 > Til: Art Campbell; Inbar, Paul > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Emne: RE: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing > printers, etc. > > > The original problem reported by Paul stems from the Windows > "phantom phont phenomena!" Windows font enumeration, used by > standard Windows applications (such as FrameMaker), allows > printer drivers to insert font information to be passed back > to the application even if such fonts are not actually > installed on the system. PostScript printer drivers (and > specifically, the standard PSCRIPT5 driver of Windows 2000, > XP, and Vista) enumerates all fonts found in the PPD file - > for Adobe PostScript 3 devices, this could be up to 136 > fonts! PCL drivers often enumerate fonts built into the printer. > > If you actually try to use a phantom phont in your document > and the font is indeed printer-resident for the printer you > have set as the current print device, Windows will substitute > something on the screen and your output will use the printer > version of that font. > > The workaround that I have advocated for over seven years > (first documented as part of a workaround for the infamous > Zapf Dingbats problem - see > <http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.ef4dc7a>) is to edit all > PostScript printer PPD files, either prior to doing a > PostScript printer driver instance installation or afterwards > (both are tricky) to eliminate ALL font references except one > - you must keep the line that defines Courier. Once such an > edit is made, the driver no longer enumerates > printer-resident, i.e., phantom, fonts to application programs. > > Note that applications that bypass the OS font enumeration > (such as Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, and Acrobat) > aren't phooled by the phantom phont phenomena! > > Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe > PDF) printer default won't solve the problem since Times is > not a native font of the Distiller. > > If you really want/need Times, you have the following options: > > (1) Change all occurrences of "Times" in your documents > and templates > to "Times New Roman" remembering that "Times New Roman" is in > fact a different font than "Times" although Microsoft (via > Monotype) endeavored to keep the "set widths" of the > characters in Times New Roman the same as those of Times to > minimize the chance of line ending differences. > > (2) If you have a Xerox printer that uses Adobe > PostScript, it came with > a CD or DVD with host-based versions of the printer resident > fonts. You can install the fonts you need from that CD onto > your computer. > > (3) You can license either the Type 1 version of Times > from Adobe or > with changes to your document for the font name, the OpenType > version, Times LT Std and install that font on your system. > > - Dov > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Art Campbell > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:11 AM > > > > The Xerox drive is probably PostScript compliant, the H-P, > from your > > description, is probably not. So far as I know. PS is still > and extra > > item on most H-P systems, which means that they use HPGL as the > > default page description language. > > > > Depending on your final output, many shops and users find that the > > best setup is to standardize on the Adobe Acrobat PDF > logical printer > > as the system (of Frame -- there's a plug in that lets it be set to > > default only within FM) default printer. Moving to the > Adobe Acrobat > > default is likely to solve your font problem too, because > it is likely > > to use the same fonts as the Xeros does. > > > > Art > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Inbar, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Let me apologize for asking another font question. I have been > > > looking at previous posts and articles on the web, but am > still not > > > sure I understand the issues and consequences. > > > > > > Basically, our frame templates use a font called Times for our > > > regular Body paragraph tag. > > > > > > On our Xerox network printers, everything seems to be > fine. However, > > > they are going to be taken offline in a few weeks. > > > > > > Recently, a new HP network printer was installed. When I > made the HP > > > printer the default printer and opened up one of our documents, I > > > got the "Document named aaa.fm uses unavailable fonts. To > reformat > > > using available fonts, click OK" message. I opened the doc. Times > > > appeared checked but greyed out in the right-click > context menu. I > > > printed on the HP. The printout looks identical, as far as I can > > > tell, to the same doc printed on the xerox. I saved and > closed, when > > > I opened again, I got the same unavailable fonts message. When I > > > make the Xerox printer the default once again, and open the > > > document, I don't get the unavailable fonts message, and Times is > > > once again black in the right-click font context menu. > > > > > > I looked around my system, in all the folders I saw mentioned in > > > various sites, but didn't find Times anywhere. In the PDD > file for > > > the Xerox printer there is a line that has Times on it. > The printer > > > support people printed out the list of fonts on the HP. > It doesn't > > > appear to have Times. > > > > > > Now, I have several questions. I realize that it may not > be possible > > > to know exactly from this description what is going on, but I > > > welcome guesses. > > > > > > Does it sound like I don't really have Times on my system, but > > > Framemaker acts like Times is there when the Xerox is the > selected > > > printer because the Xerox has it? > > > > > > If the HP doesn't have it, what are the consequences of > that? Which > > > font did it use? Does it decide itself what is most > compatible? It > > > doesn't seem to have changed anything in my document. > When I go back > > > to the Xerox, Times seems ok again. Will the unavailable fonts > > > message interfere with smooth updating of the book? > > > > > > What is the best course of action to take: > > > > > > Try to buy Times somewhere? (Or rather, try to convince my > > > organization to buy Times somewhere) Change my templates to use > > > Times New Roman? Just live with the unavailable fonts message? > > > > > > It once seemed to me that Times New Roman was a bit more crowded > > > than Times. That's why I always resisted Times New Roman. Is the > > > difference just a figment of my imagination? Also, is there a > > > difference in appearance between Times Roman and Times New Roman? > > > > > > In short, any information would be appreciated, and will > help me to > > > communicate to the printer support people in my organization what > > > the issues are. Right now they just regard me as the troublemaker > > > who uses Framemaker... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Paul > > > > -- > > Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/js%40grafi khuset.dk Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
