Hi Mike, Thank you, changing the setting in the job options solved it. And thanks also for the explanation of the problem for the printer.
I also discovered that if I change that setting to "Convert all colours to CMYK", the colours in the file are also ok and the whole file is CMYK. I didn't need to use Quite a Box of Tricks to create a CMYK file, the output from FM was already CMYK. I'm waiting to hear from the printer about whether either of these files is good enough to print. Thanks, Daniel Daniel Osborn | Technical Writer | TomTom | daniel.osborn at tomtom.com | +31 (0) 20 8500 934 office -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wickham [mailto:mewick...@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:10 PM To: Daniel Osborn Subject: Re: CMYK problems Daniel, A couple of things to check. In Frame, make sure the color definitions are set to Process and CMYK. In Distiller, check the job option settings: Settings> Edit Adobe PDF Settings. Look on the Color tab and check Color Management Policies. The setting there can cause 4-color black text, instead of plain black. For example, changing "Tag Everything for Color Management" to "Tag Only Images for Color Management" can make the 4-color text go back to plain black. Text must be plain black. If it's four-color, each ink prints on top the other and without absolutely perfect registration (alignment) of the four ink plates, you get text that's black in the middle (where all inks overlap), but with cyan, magenta, and yellow edges peaking out. That's what causes the muddy brown the printer talked about, and makes text look fuzzy rather than crystal clear. Mike Wickham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Osborn" <daniel.osb...@tomtom.com> To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: CMYK problems Hi, I have some questions about creating pdf files for a printer. To try and get it right, I'm currently doing the following: 1. Only use cmyk .eps images. 2. Set GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to 'Printing' 3. Save as pdf rather than print to pdf. 4. Convert the resulting pdf to cmyk using Quite a box of tricks. I use save as pdf because I found that the images lost a lot of quality when the pdf was converted to cmyk, although I think this may have been before I started using .eps images. The files I generated have been printed with very good results. Many thanks to everyone on the list who helped me get to this stage when I first had to produce a file for a printer. I'm now delivering to a different printer and they don't like the colours in the pdf. The images are not a problem, it's the colours used for text, thumb tabs and shading in tables. In FM, the colours are defined like this: Black K 100% Red M 90% Y 86% Grey K 30% And I have some text in an .eps image which is defined as K 100%. In the pdf the colours have these values: Black C 75% M 68% Y 67% B 90% Red C 3% M 100% Y 100% Grey C 21% M 16% Y 16% And the black text in the .eps image is C 75% M 69% Y 62% B 75% The printer is saying that the 'black' text will come out as a muddy brown with misregistration issues (not sure what that means) and he is also not happy with the other colours. I used the Output preview tool in Acrobat Pro 7 to get these figures (and so did the printer). I've tried printing to pdf with the same result and also changing GetLibraryColorRGBFromCMYK to None, with the same result. Can anyone help me with this? I can understand that some colours will change slightly but I don't understand why black comes out like this and also why the black in an .eps image has changed so much. I'm also a little confused that the last printer didn't have any problems with the files, at least none that he told me about. I'm using Framemaker 7.2p158. The printer suggested I use FM 6 on the Mac instead... 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