Art, Steve, thank you for your help and answers to my numbering questions. Changing the outline, as well as the numbering of figures and tables was surprisingly easy. I was really worried that I'd screw up all my paragraph styles. Especially, since I often read on this list how people have difficulties with inconsistent settings in the book and its documents. Yet introducing <$volnum> and <$chapnum> was painless, and I needed only to fix a few tags. The numbering issue with anchored frames became obsolete as soon as I changed the numbering of figures and tables to include the chapter, and to restart numbering in each file.
Again thank you for the tremendous support on this list. Have a great time, Dona Begin forwarded message: > From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell at gmail.com> > Date: March 8, 2007 7:18:26 AM CST > To: "Dona Mommsen" <dona.mommsen at gmx.net> > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Numbering > > First, whatever font you're using in your Subject isn't translating > well.... > > On 3/5/07, Dona Mommsen <dona.mommsen at gmx.net> wrote: >> Hi, > <snip> > >> (1) This book has a numbering issue with anchored frames. >> The numbering setting is to continue the numbering from the previous >> paragraph in the book, and it is consistent in the book and in each >> document. However, this does not work when the first occurrence of the >> paragraph happens to be in an anchored frame. In that case Frame >> stubbornly restarts numbering for that paragraph / tag, and it happens >> for paragraphs containing any numbering tag. As soon as I enter the >> same paragraph format in the flow (somewhere before the anchored >> frame) >> the numbering continues correctly. Any ideas or workarounds? > > Anchored frames are outside the main flow. The easiest solution is to > number outside them. > > >> >> (2) In addition, I'd like to make a number of numbering changes. Maybe >> these changes should be done first, because it includes restarting the >> numbering in each chapter, which could make the issue detailed above >> obsolete. However, I'm not sure if there is any order in which I >> should >> tackle these changes. I'm particularly uncertain if I'm missing >> something about numbering definitions of the book vs. numbering in the >> paragraph format that could get me in trouble. >> >> ?> Introducing Parts should be the easy part: >> Part I: Chapters 1 to 3 >> Part II: Chapters 4 to 6 >> Part III: Chapters 7 to 8 >> I was planning to create a new paragraph tag and to include that in >> the >> TOC. > > Yes. I'd use the <$volnum> variable and control it in the book file. > >> >> ?> Change the numbering of Figures and Tables to Chapter?Figure or >> Chapter?Table, respectively, e.g. Figure1?1. Thus the numbering >> restarts in each chapter. >> I've done the combined numbering in the Appendix, with a structure of >> empty brackets in the auto-numbering format, >> e.g. A:<A>.<n+>< >< >< >\t >> Should I do the same for the main chapters 1 through 8, or is there >> something that I'm missing about the chapter numbering definition of >> the book? > > Make sure to use a different numbering track, not A: and you should be > fine. > You could also set this up at the book level, really the preferred > method, using the <$chapnum> or <$volnum> variables instead of your > active counter. > >> Please note that I have multiple paragraph tags for Figures and >> Tables, >> so there are 2 numbering tags but 5 paragraph tags in total: Figure, >> FigureWithSource, TableTitle, TableTitleWithSource, and another >> paragraph tag for the Figures that are split into panels. The 'with >> source' paragraphs have a different spacing, ruler and 'next >> paragraph' >> property, because they are followed by a paragraph indicating the >> source. However, they are using the same numbering tag, so there are >> only 2 numbering tags, one for Figures and one for Tables. Also, the >> paragraph tag for split Figures with panels numbered 1a), 1b) uses the >> same numbering tag. However, these panels are not included in the >> List >> of Figures. The caption for the whole figure that gets into the LOF is >> either a paragraph Figure or FigureWithSource. >> Again, the goal it to change the numbering to Chapter?Figure or >> Chapter?Table, respectively. I guess that I can handle that with the >> correct structure in the empty-brackets-approach, where Figure and >> FigureWithSource have to use the same item in the list. To get the >> 'Figures with panels', I'll probably need another item in the >> structure. Again, the question is whether there is a better way of >> doing this, using the chapter numbering definition in the book? Is it >> possible to use a variable definition like <$chapnum> in the >> auto-numbering of a paragraph tag? > > Sure, use <$chapnum> for this -- that's what it's designed for. But it > would only replace the set of brackets you're using for chapter > numbering. > >> >> ?> I'm also grateful for any tips how to make these changes across the >> book without FrameScript. > > Setting the numbering at the book level and using the <$chapnum> and > <$volnum> variables would be the easiest way to do it. If you have to > redo tags, you'd just import the new formats into multiple files at > once, again at the book level. > >> >> ?> How bad is it to have 2 chapters in one file? I don't mind to split >> the file. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and I already brace >> myself for the outcry this question might provoke. > > It's fairly standard procedure. That's why the numbering properties in > the book file allow you to set the numbering for multiple files to the > same chapter number... It's also one additional reason to use the > <$chapnum> variable. The file=chapter thing is just human tidiness -- > the computer doesn't care. > > >> >> Last but not least, all these Lists of ? are taking up too much space. >> The closest that I could move them together is to start each file on >> the next available page. Is it possible to have all the List of >> Figures, Tables, and Paragraphs in one file but as three separate >> lists? > > You''d have to set it up with text insets. More both than it'd be > worth. > My first question would be if you're sure you need all these lists, > and what value they add for the reader. Combined with a TOC, it looks > as if they provide duplacation.... > > You could include more para types in your TOC, but that's bulk that up > too. > > -- > Art Campbell > art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > Begin forwarded message: > From: Dona Mommsen <dona.mommsen at gmx.net> > Date: March 5, 2007 6:41:56 PM CST > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: (1) Numbering > issues with anchored frames (2) Changing numbering in a book > > Hi, > > I'm soliciting the 2 cents from the pros before I'm getting myself > into trouble, and I apologize for the long post. I'm using Frame 7.0 > on Mac 10.3.9. and no FrameScript. I have a book with the following > structure: > > Title > TOC > LOF based on 2 paragraph tags with the same numbering tag > LOT based on 2 paragraph tags with the same numbering tag > LOP based on one paragraph tag for 'Boxes' in the document > Abbreviations > Chapter 1 > Chapter 2 > Chapter 3 > Chapter 4 > Chapter 5 > Chapter 6 > Chapter 7 and 8 > ?For chapters 1 through 8 the numbering of chapters is only in the > paragraph numbering, not in the numbering definition of the book. > Chapter 7 and 8 are still in one file. > ?Headings are numbered 1, 1.1, 1.1.1 > ?Figures and Tables are numbered with separate tags, continuously > throughout all 8 chapters > ?Some figures are split into panels numbered 1a), 1b), but there is > always one caption for the whole Figure. > Appendix A > ?Headings are numbered A.1 > ?Figures and Tables are numbered A?1 > File with more Appendix A, all in landscape format > Appendix B > References > IX > > (1) This book has a numbering issue with anchored frames. > The numbering setting is to continue the numbering from the previous > paragraph in the book, and it is consistent in the book and in each > document. However, this does not work when the first occurrence of the > paragraph happens to be in an anchored frame. In that case Frame > stubbornly restarts numbering for that paragraph / tag, and it happens > for paragraphs containing any numbering tag. As soon as I enter the > same paragraph format in the flow (somewhere before the anchored > frame) the numbering continues correctly. Any ideas or workarounds? > > (2) In addition, I'd like to make a number of numbering changes. Maybe > these changes should be done first, because it includes restarting the > numbering in each chapter, which could make the issue detailed above > obsolete. However, I'm not sure if there is any order in which I > should tackle these changes. I'm particularly uncertain if I'm missing > something about numbering definitions of the book vs. numbering in the > paragraph format that could get me in trouble. > > ?> Introducing Parts should be the easy part: > Part I: Chapters 1 to 3 > Part II: Chapters 4 to 6 > Part III: Chapters 7 to 8 > I was planning to create a new paragraph tag and to include that in > the TOC. > > ?> Change the numbering of Figures and Tables to Chapter?Figure or > Chapter?Table, respectively, e.g. Figure?1?1. Thus the numbering > restarts in each chapter. > I've done the combined numbering in the Appendix, with a structure of > empty brackets in the auto-numbering format, > e.g. A:<A>.<n+>< >< >< >\t > Should I do the same for the main chapters 1 through 8, or is there > something that I'm missing about the chapter numbering definition of > the book? > Please note that I have multiple paragraph tags for Figures and > Tables, so there are 2 numbering tags but 5 paragraph tags in total: > Figure, FigureWithSource, TableTitle, TableTitleWithSource, and > another paragraph tag for the Figures that are split into panels. The > 'with source' paragraphs have a different spacing, ruler and 'next > paragraph' property, because they are followed by a paragraph > indicating the source. However, they are using the same numbering tag, > so there are only 2 numbering tags, one for Figures and one for > Tables. Also, the paragraph tag for split Figures with panels numbered > 1a), 1b) uses the same numbering tag. However, these panels are not > included in the List of Figures. The caption for the whole figure that > gets into the LOF is either a paragraph Figure or FigureWithSource. > Again, the goal it to change the numbering to Chapter?Figure or > Chapter?Table, respectively. I guess that I can handle that with the > correct structure in the empty-brackets-approach, where Figure and > FigureWithSource have to use the same item in the list. To get the > 'Figures with panels', I'll probably need another item in the > structure. Again, the question is whether there is a better way of > doing this, using the chapter numbering definition in the book? Is it > possible to use a variable definition like <$chapnum> in the > auto-numbering of a paragraph tag? > > ?> I'm also grateful for any tips how to make these changes across the > book without FrameScript. > > ?> How bad is it to have 2 chapters in one file? I don't mind to split > the file. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and I already brace > myself for the outcry this question might provoke. > > Last but not least, all these Lists of ? are taking up too much space. > The closest that I could move them together is to start each file on > the next available page. Is it possible to have all the List of > Figures, Tables, and Paragraphs in one file but as three separate > lists? > > Thanks in advance for any suggestion. > > Dona > >
