Hi all,

I normally would never contradict Jeremy or Dov, but I don't think it's fair
to say that PDF is designed to create manuals only for printing.  In the
olden days, yes, but not now.

We provide all our docs in PDF to our customers, but we designed our manuals
to be used primarily on line.  We include links and other features to help
users find and display information quickly.  We're working on adding GUI
walk-throughs using Captivate, and adding 3D animated graphics using
Captivate and FM as well.

But I agree with Jeremy on the FM to Word issue.  We actually tried that
with some of our docs because the enginering division in Japan does not have
FM yet (sometime this year, hopefully).  Yes, we could convert the docs with
mif2go, but it's a real hassle to do the conversion, get their updates in
word, update the FM docs, and then convert the updated docs back to Word
again.  It is just not a productive way to get edits.  We finally got them
to accept PDFs and use the reviewing capabilities to make comments and
edits.  It's what the tools were designed to do and it works.

However, the above process does not work for info on new features,
especially when they include drawings and/or screenshots.  For that, they
still send us Word docs because Word is currently the tool they have.

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:06 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Charlene_Glover at emainc.com
Subject: Re: PDF to Word Conversion

On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:28:13 -0500, <Charlene_Glover at emainc.com> wrote:

>         I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
>projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
>drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
>entire document in word.

As everyone else has said, this is a very, very, very Bad Idea.
Word is simply not stable enough to use for docs that size,
let alone the fact that it lacks so many common Frame features
that you will spend much of your editing time gritting your
teeth to avoid screaming...

Ask him *why* he wants it in Word?  If it's because he wants
to edit using Word's Track Changes, fine, you can give him a
Word copy, made with Mif2Go, any time he wants one.  (Make one
Word file per chapter, *not* one file of the whole book.)
Then he can edit, send it back, and you can make his changes
into proper writing when you edit them into the Frame version.
Many of our customers use that workflow, and it works well.

>Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
>that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
>will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
>tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
>off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Going via PDF is another Bad Idea, because PDF is, as Dov
said, a "final format", designed for print.  It is *not*
an interchange format.  Frame's native RTF export leaves
a lot behind.  Mif2Go does too, since there is nowhere to
put a lot of Frame information in Word, but what does get
there is complete, accurate, and looks remarkably like the
Frame document it came from.  You can try the free demo at:
and see for yourself if it will work for you.


-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  <jeremy at omsys.com>  http://www.omsys.com/

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