all,

AND . . . if you were a Frame-10 user on January 1, 2013 . . . you know 
EXPIRED SUBSCRIPTION embeded code . . . really does function.

                        ooops

So . . . if one does cease to "auto"-pay  . . . shall you become promptly 
de-ceased?

?Has anyone "on subscription" tried changing/advancing their system clock 
2-3 months to see if anything odd occurs?

please advise

cha-CHANG$$$

Dick Doll (Frame user since V4.1 thru V10)
graphic communications, llc
sgmlindy at tds.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan T Litchfield" <a...@alphabyte.co.nz>
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Adobe was hacked


> The increased threat is the adoption of subscription payments where 
> previously different mechanisms were used to pay for this stuff. Now, 
> much is online and therefore vulnerable.
>
> It is the point you make that is the issue (and the answer to your own 
> question). What happens when your license expires? When a person takes 
> the default the option to have credit card details saved and reused at 
> renewal time, then that opens the doors for the criminal element to  "have 
> a go". That is an increased threat.
>
> Why should we trust a corporation for whom we have no direct 
> relationship, especially those who work within? A corporation that  wants 
> no relationship with us except to provide a product and dictates  a 
> payment method that provides the threat of harm? Yet, there is an 
> expectation of trust when credit card and other details are provided. 
> Adobe plays a patriarchal role in selectively ignoring pleas from its 
> customers (dependants) and in return those dependants respond with 
> increased offerings of trust and forgiveness when any kind of weakness  on 
> the part of the patriarch is displayed. Dependants are caused to  question 
> their own values and belief in the system when they ought to  be 
> questioning the system's values and making demands that services  are 
> provided so that trust is warranted.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 5/10/2013, at 10:08 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>
>> What increased threat? Trial, subscription, and purchase are identical
>> except for if and when the license expires.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Alan T Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> umm, is this a good time to bring up the new subscription licensing 
>>> model
>>> and its inherent weaknesses (or should I say the increased threat  of 
>>> harm
>>> through attack and incompetent data management practices) ?
>
> --
> Dr Alan Litchfield
> AlphaByte
> PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140
> New Zealand
> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
>
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