Thanks Fred. You took the words right out of my mouth! Alison
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound....@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 2:41 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.; Ken Poshedly Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop Don't get me started on bullets and autonumbering in MS applications. Once upon a time it just worked. And then they started making it more "helpful" and automatic... and unreliable and impossible to troubleshoot when it breaks. But if you want to see a real horror show, spend a while trying to clean up the bullets in PowerPoint slide decks that have contributions from a half-dozen different engineers in three different countries using four different templates (or no template at all). I just went through that exact scenario on 21 separate presentations for a Very Important Customer. I *really* hate PowerPoint and the way its "master pages" work. -FR ________________________________ From: Framers <framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail....@lists.frameusers.com><mailto:framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail....@lists.frameusers.com%3e> on behalf of Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net><mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net%3e> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 5:08 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop So all-in-all, it's just Adobe emulating Microsoft. (What does he mean by that?) Back in 2006 while I was contracting for an engineering firm and ordered to use only Word "so the engineers could correct my work." (Ptooey!) I remember an incident where I used Word's paragraph tag-method to tag bulleted text. I was on page 125 or so, tagged something bullet and voila!, every bullet in the book disappeared, yet all "bulleted text" was still tagged that way. I tried everything I knew to fix things but to no avail. But, ah, thank heavens for Ctrl-Z. Everything returned, except for the last bullet that I worked on. I don't remember how I "fixed" things that day, but I did post a message on the tech-wrl e-mail list, asking how could Microsoft let this happen. The reply / replies were basically, "Because Microsoft CAN (let this happen) because it doesn't matter to them since we're just peons." On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:21 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com><mailto:rob...@lauriston.com%3e> wrote: It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally stops working. I've never seen similar behavior in any other application on the half-dozen systems where I've run FM9 or later. I never used anything but a generic keyboard with the default driver. On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography><mailto:peter@petergold.photography%3e> wrote: > Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences: > > It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow. > > In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver > issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input > devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is > it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys > or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the > issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when > substituting a different keyboard? > > In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like > font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons? > > System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and > other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics > tablet sensitivity settings? _______________________________________________ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ framers - mail-archive.com<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/%3e> www.mail-archive.com<http://www.mail-archive.com> Messages by Thread [Framers] Frame Help files Gillian Flato. 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