My nostalgia goes further back! As many of you might know there was another heavy-weight technical publishing tool called Interleaf. I really liked it and had a much better graphic tool when FrameMaker was not even able to create a "dotted line," but it practically disappeared by the mid-1990s. There might still be some licenses floating around, especially with some defense contractors.
FrameMaker was coming strong in the early 1990s and Interleaf was losing steam fairly rapidly. Why? Well, Interleaf started to dilly-dally on customer service and won't pick phone calls if anyone had any problems with installation or usage. It was a great software, but it failed to keep up with customer demands. Sometimes I feel the same way about FrameMaker today. Why doesn't the installation link always work? Why do you have to spend hours on the phone with customer service to get it going? Why don't they have user group meetings in the local high tech companies once in a month as they did in the 1990s? It was great way to get real customer feedback from people who are the actual users and front-line warriors. They almost mishandled DITA and abdicated their responsibility to XML DITA, etc. As a result, Adobe lost a significant market share to other vendors. In spite of all that I have been a loyal user of FrameMaker for decades. Anyway, I share with you a cartoon in the form of two sumo wrestlers that I asked a friend of mine Bill Bergman to make for me in 1992. Please enjoy. Regards, Tarlochan Nahal On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 2:19 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Framers mailing list submissions to [email protected] > To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You > can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] When replying, please edit your > Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers > digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) > 2. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) > 3. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) > 4. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:33:46 -0400 > From: Jerilynne Knight <[email protected]> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 > Message-ID: > <CA+h60BiK0c93dqh5AFKytW0b_hfy_J= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Oh wowser Mark...I forgot about the Gem environment! And I remember that > DOS-based machine...had one of them! > > J > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 2:42 PM Mark Soiseth <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It > > allowed me to shoot myself in the foot so easily. But, once I learned how > > to apply the rules, etc., I was amazed. And this was on DOS-based > machines > > with a 8086 chip and only 640 kb of RAM. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:01:22 -0500 > From: Peter Gold <[email protected]> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 > Message-ID: > <CAGoR+AjTF1O3Q198gSbAaArp7149imHuriuLp6SKZNPjw= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Corel's not the first company to have shot itself in the foot. Many of us > have first-have experience. Oooops, should that be "first-foot?" > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 1:41 PM Mark Soiseth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It > > allowed me to shoot myself in the foot so easily. But, once I learned how > > to apply the rules, etc., I was amazed. And this was on DOS-based > machines > > with a 8086 chip and only 640 kb of RAM. > > > > But, yes, Corel did not do it justice. > > > > On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 05:05, Jerilynne Knight < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Bjorn...I didn't follow Ventura that far into present time, > although I > > > loved it when I learned it a Xerox. Once Corel took it over, I though I > > was > > > the only one who was both disappointed and disgusted with the poor job > > they > > > were doing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:00 PM Studio Smalbro <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > I followed Ventura all the way from the early versions on floppy > disks > > > > to the latest Corel Version 10. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to [email protected] > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 22:13:42 -0400 > From: Jerilynne Knight <[email protected]> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 > Message-ID: > <CA+h60BhfQnHTJ8HASmtoEUjwzdpW=LEe6aQB6J= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Oh lordy Peter, don't even get me started on that topic!!! lol > > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:01 PM Peter Gold <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Corel's not the first company to have shot itself in the foot. Many of us > > have first-have experience. Oooops, should that be "first-foot?" > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:27:50 -0500 > From: Peter Gold <[email protected]> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 > Message-ID: > <CAGoR+Ag5ebCw=SJ=hbhUEfy6s+yY=iOscz= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dang autocorrect. Should have been "first-hand" not "first-have." > > Ok, I won't start your feet moving down that path. ;) > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:13 PM Jerilynne Knight <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Oh lordy Peter, don't even get me started on that topic!!! lol > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:01 PM Peter Gold <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Corel's not the first company to have shot itself in the foot. Many of > us > > > have first-have experience. 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