Nice to see that people are still here! I do miss the old days of
FrameMaker .. was such a vibrant group of people (and wonderful
product). The subscription path that Adobe took for Frame was the death
knell for my use. It's one thing to offer this as one option when it
makes sense for your needs, but another to force it on everyone, and
effectively hold your content hostage. No thanks, Adobe!
When I need FM for crafting a highly formatted document, I fire up FM8
in my Win7 VM .. works great as always! But for most of my documentation
work, I've moved to DITA in Oxygen. I'm still working to make DITA
easier to use for the average person, since it allows you to actually
own your content, and easily produce output in many formats
As for the Mif2Go domain, Dennis Hays has taken ownership of it .. so if
you ever want to travel down memory lane and check out the cool tools
that Jeremy Griffith created and review the very old freeframers
archives, you can just go to www.mif2go.com! For the foreseeable future
that still ends up on my website at omsys.leximation.net, but someday
Dennis may do something more creative with it. Thanks, to Dennis for
taking this off my hands after 12 years! :-)
All the best to everyone!
Scott
On 5/29/26 9:00 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:
If Adobe's upgrade pricing policies for new versions were rational, I would
continue using FrameMaker too ...
However, if you fall two revisions behind, you have to essentially buy a full
license again - pre subscription licensing. That was a deal-breaker for me.
So, I switched to a LaTeX flow - tools for almost instant PDF preview are
available and work beautifully ... which admittedly was sufficient for my needs
(YMMV).
I am also working on the fourth edition of my book, so my work provides me with
a license for the Creative Suite to use InDesign ... but this does not include
FrameMaker, of course!
For my own writing (basic stuff, working on book, articles, etc., without
figures or diagrams), I am quite pleased with how well Scrivener meets that
need!
Z
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I must say this thread is depressing. If I understand right, almost no one
except me is using FrameMaker. I have produced some 15 books with it, and am
working on more. There is simply no way I could do what I need in Word or
Overleaf/LaTeX. More precisely I guess I could, but with those tools I think
about the tools 80% of the time, about my text the rest. With FrameMaker the
proportion is reversed. Actually it is more like 10%/90% even with the bugs and
quirks.
Interesting how Adobe managed to kill a superior product.
Worse yet, with the unavailability of purchased versions, not only do we have
to pay forever, but they can turn the switch off any time and (in my case at
least) leave us with a lifetime of unexploitable -- i.e. lost -- work.
-- Bertrand Meyer
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From: Framers<[email protected]>
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Sent: 28 May, 2026 22:25
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Yes, some of us are still out here (listening). Good to see these familiar
names!
Craig Ede
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From: Framers<[email protected]> on behalf
of Scott Prentice<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2026 11:49 AM
To: 'Framers'<[email protected]>
Subject: [Framers] Mif2Go domain
Is anyone still out there? :-)
I've been maintaining the mif2go.com domain since Jeremy Griffith's passing in
2014, but it's time to let it go. If anyone is interested in taking ownership
of this domain, please let me know, ASAP .. it expires in 15 days.
I will continue to maintain his Omsys website which includes the documentation
and free downloads for his tools:
- Mif2Go
- DITA2Go
- uDoc2Go
- OmniHelp
These and the archive of freeframers.org are all available at ..
https://omsys.leximation.net
The source for these tools will also continue to be available on GitHub, if
anyone wants to work with them.
I hope you're all well!
Scott
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