yeah you're right brook - i was being at least a little flippant, which is a stupid idea for an email list. i do think it has mainly terrible qualities as a format, but as i was saying that's more personal than an objective assessment, and as technology has changed over time, those feelings are probably quite age-related. and there are masters making masterpieces with any medium or format, of course.
i agree with flick that hi8 is great as far as video formats go. degradation and the way the colours bleed all over the place (caused both by the format and the cheap lenses those cameras all used) are two of my favourite features, but clearly technical 'flaws'. i do disagree with one thing though, which is that i hated DV long before i'd even heard of HD (because i'd seen super8!), but as flick also says he appreciated it because of working with hi8 for so long beforehand. i guess those relationships with a medium are, as the title suggests, relationships, and relationships are personal. edwin Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:26:00 -0700 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16:9 vs 4:3 If you see DV work by Ernie Gehr, Leighton Pierce, or others who really pushed the aesthetics of that medium and still say it "looked like shit"... something else is going on. Brook On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Flick Harrison <[email protected]> wrote: That's funny - Edwin - I started out in Hi8 and when DV tape arrived we thought it was dropped out of heaven. You could copy and edit it a million times and never degrade?!? The sound on Hi8 was so shitty... so very very shitty... like you had a towel stuffed into a tin can inside your speaker... DV looks "like shit" only if you compare it to HD, and if "like shit" means "doesn't look like HD." I have a hard time going backwards in format epochs, but after I re-orient I always grow to love it again. Hi8 had such a beautiful texture from the barely-discernible degradation, even after doing an expensive online edit from your camera original to a betacam master in a pro suite... desaturation, aliasing, and oooh the grain. It actually took away the live-news immediacy of video, and when DV came out it was suddenly easier to shoot video but harder to make it look like narrative drama. DV meanwhile was fun for docs, because it looked crisp and clear and the saturation was great, the recorded tape looked identical to a live feed, but it had a cheap edginess (maybe it was due to the pixel aspects you mentioned) that said: "independent." I loved the colours on my Canon XL-1 and the stereo mic on that baby has never been matched. -Flick --* WHERE'S MY ARTICLE, WORLD?http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Flick_Harrison * FLICK's WEBSITE & BLOG: http://www.flickharrison.com _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- ____________________________ Brook Hinton Moving Image and Sound Maker www.brookhinton.com Associate Professor / Assistant Chair Film Program at CCA California College of the Arts www.cca.edu/film _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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