Hey im actually gonna be in New York til Janruary unfortunately but I do know people in SF that will have daylight spools for ya.  Hit me up off list and ill try and get u some.
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From: katherine Bauer
Sent: Aug 22, 2012 2:22 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: [Frameworks] space pirate? day light spools in bay area

Hi Space Pirate
or anyone other filmy people in the Bay Area...
Space pirate Im interested to see your set up - I have done some of what you speak of trying - Maybe I could help out at this stage. Ill be in the Bay Area/SF for a couple weeks.

I really need day light spools...1 to 4 . I brought film to shoot but forgot I need to spool it down...well I forgot what I need to spool it down - well only the day light spools - so if you have any let me know.

despite your choice of adjective to describe digital FX I like your dedication to real film FX. I hold to that as well...keep it real. fake real is better than fake fake. But you know being gay is fucking awesome...so I think you meant to use something else in that sentence.
;)
xoK

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   1. Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards
      NEEDED for space pirates claymation (ben.weinst...@mindspring.com)
   2. Re: Optical Printing,     Contact Printing and Rotoscoping
      Wizards NEEDED for space pirates  claymation (Sonali)
   3. Re: Optical Printing,     Contact Printing and Rotoscoping
      Wizards NEEDED for space pirates  claymation (Fred Smith)
   4. Re: Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping
      Wizards NEEDED for space pirates  claymation (graeme hogg)
   5. This Fri+Sat: Outdoor screenings of James Benning and     Peter
      Hutton (Stefan Grabowski)


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From: ben.weinst...@mindspring.com
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:04:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation
Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make this movie great.  Thanks



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From: Sonali <sonalif...@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:02:57 -0400
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation
Ben

Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 16mm but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?

I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay".

I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have a hard time understanding why that term was used.

It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?

I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.

Sonali

On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:

> Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make this movie great.  Thanks
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Cc: 
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:44:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation
It all starts with your original footage. DO NOT SKIMP ON IT!!! Get the best images you can. Use the finist grain film you can.

If you plan on using black screen for your mattes, I would suggest using the alternate frontlit/backlit system, where you shoot one frame lit normally, then the next frame (without moving anything or changing the camera settings) backlit to provide the black matte, then get the roll skip printed; Frame 1 on roll A, Frame 2 on roll B, Frame 3 on roll A, etc. (Bluescreen was invented so mattes could be made without this step and cut out one generation print). You gain a generation, but the mattes are much more accurate.

My $0.02.

----- Original Message ----- From: <ben.weinst...@mindspring.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation


Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my film.




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From: graeme hogg <graemeh...@irational.org>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Cc: 
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:00:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation


Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay aren't they.



Ben

Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 16mm but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?

I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay".

I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have a hard time understanding why that term was used.

It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?

I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.

Sonali

On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:

Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make this movie great.



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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:51:45 -0400
Subject: [Frameworks] This Fri+Sat: Outdoor screenings of James Benning and Peter Hutton







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· Peter Hutton + James Benning · 8/24 + 8/25 · Boston + Providence
 
Magic Lantern (Providence) and Balagan (Boston) have paired up to present two outdoor, analog screenings of Peter Hutton and James Benning. The screenings begin at 8pm and are FREE (though $5+ donations are certainly welcome).

Friday, August 24th     
Norman B. Leventhal Park
Post Office Square
Downtown Boston

FILMS:

9/1/75 (Benning, 1975)
At Sea (Hutton, 2004-07)
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Saturday, August 25th
Grant’s Block
260 Westminster Street
Downtown Providence
FILMS:

Study of a River (Hutton, 1997)
Deseret (Benning, 1994-95)

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And... coming up on September 4th, Balagan is very proud to present three 35mm films from the Saint Petersburg Documentary Film Studio (Russia), in celebration of the studio's 80th anniversary:

- On the Third Planet from the Sun ( Na tret'ei ot solntsa planete), Pavel Medvedev, 2006, 32 mins
- Bitch Academy ( Kak stat' stervoi), Alina Rudnitskaya, 2007, 31 mins
- Factory ( Fabrika), Sergei Loznitsa, 2004, 30 mins

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