Always the way. 'Necessity' etc From: Caryn Cline <[email protected]> Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 11:23:46 -0800 To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] question about fees for permission to use material: an update
Hello everyone, After some consideration about whether to pay for permission to use as narration an essay from the NY Times, I decided to dig deeper, do more research, and write my own narration. In doing more research, I discovered aspects of the situation I had not known about before. that were not covered in the inspirational essay, and I'm incorporating those into my film. Best, CC On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Caryn Cline <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Francisco, Jim, Gene, David, Ted and Dan. > > Thank you all for your insights and advice. I really appreciate your taking > the time to respond to my query. Frameworks is such a great resource! > > Best wishes, > > CC > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Francisco Torres <[email protected]> > wrote: >> If you modify it ''substantially'' it becomes a different text. Think William >> Burroughs... >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Caryn Cline <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Dear Frameworkers, >>> >>> I¹m writing to ask your advice. I¹m working on a short handmade, >>> experimental film that takes as its ³script² a slightly modified version of >>> an essay I found in the New York Times, which I plan to use as a voiceover >>> narration on the soundtrack. I wrote to the author to ask his permission to >>> use it, which he gladly gave with this caveat: everything he writes for the >>> paper is owned by them. He gave me the name of someone to contact at the >>> paper, who sent me to the paper¹s licensing people. I decided to follow that >>> lead, to see where it went. [I have not had good luck with trying to get >>> permission for a reasonable fee before, but I decided to try, as an >>> experience.] >>> >>> Well, needless to say the people who license for the Times want me to pay >>> them what I regard as way too much money for the use of the essay--$800 for >>> rights for festivals, galleries, streaming, broadcast, etc.for the life of >>> the title. As you know, it is difficult to communicate to people in these >>> positions that there is absolutely no commercial value in the film. The >>> money is about 1/3 of my overall budget. Some of my handmade film buddies >>> advised me to forget about the permission and just use it anyway, but I feel >>> funny about doing that now, and as one friend who works in the business >>> cautioned: my project and I are on their radar now. Should I try to talk >>> them down? (They originally asked for $1300, so this is a considerable >>> reduction from outrageously expensive to merely quite expensive.) Should I >>> claim ³fair use,² and use the text anyway? What are the chances that they >>> would come after me? I¹d appreciate any advice or hearing about your own >>> experiences with this. Many thanks. >>> >>> >>> CC >>> >>> -- >>> Caryn Cline >>> co-producer, Acts of Witness >>> www.actsofwitness.com <http://www.actsofwitness.com/> >>> vimeo.com/carynyc <http://vimeo.com/carynyc> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > > > > -- > Caryn Cline > co-producer, Acts of Witness > www.actsofwitness.com <http://www.actsofwitness.com/> > vimeo.com/carynyc <http://vimeo.com/carynyc> > > -- Caryn Cline co-producer, Acts of Witness www.actsofwitness.com <http://www.actsofwitness.com/> vimeo.com/carynyc <http://vimeo.com/carynyc> _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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