Predictable negativity not withstanding....here are two recent test shots with the new Logmar designed Kodak Super 8 camera, i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq1vP0viRO8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23eNNss0ZFY I have the original Logmar prototype Super 8 camera that the new Kodak S8 cam is based on. Here is a rough sketch I did, i.e. https://vimeo.com/180784477 Logmar is also developing a handheld 65mm camera with fold out 4K LCD screen and under 25 lbs, Their camera designs are controversial for the absence of an optical finder. Their Kodak contract saved their tiny company which is essentially a two man (father + son) operation based in Norway. But I look at it this way. I and others have invested in the ongoing development of motion cameras. We have yet to exhaust film's incredible potentials. Digital/analog hybrid camera engineering is a product of our times. There is another project underway by a Swiss engineer to build a self-blimped Super 8 camera that looks like a miniature Arri 435. Micheal Leblanc (DOP) just finished shooting a 90 minute Super 8 feature here in Toronto with Pro8mm Canon 1014XL w. MAX8 gates. There are many more active Super 8 projects. Shoot film! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kolberg, Sarah <skolb...@buffalo.edu> Date: Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Super8 digital camera To: "frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com" <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> Hi all - I know that Kodak has a couple of prototypes of the new Super8 digital but they are - as of January - not yet available for "trying out." But should be soon. to offer a little clarification on the film developing with digital angle through Pro8mm in Burbank (Kodak's suggested developer): Their digital upload service is available but not part of their standard development expense, and cost depends on resolution - it's $10 per gb - so getting it that way would certainly expedite access to working with it but those costs can quickly add up. typically it takes 2-5 business days to process and send back (obviously the length of time here is affected by whether the film is shipped film overnight or 3day etc) but they do offer a rush service that costs $200 per film stock type, and covers all the rolls of the same type per type I know his because we got a handful of super8s from Kodak for a master class we held with Isaac Julien earlier this year. Margaret (or others) if you want to contact me off line I can give you the contact info at Kodak and maybe once the newer model is available for tryouts (and it may be by now) which you can pass along to the art school. best, ~ sarah ________________________________ From: FrameWorks <frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com> on behalf of Margaret Rorison <margaret.b.rori...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:09 AM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Super8 digital camera Thanks for the input. A local art school was curious about it and I wanted to ask around, since I know nothing about this hybrid model and its expenses. thanks! meg > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Kodak Super8 digital camera (Margaret Rorison) > 2. Re: Kodak Super8 digital camera (Jeff Kreines) > 3. Re: Kodak Super8 digital camera (Francisco Torres) > 4. Re: Kodak Super8 digital camera (Dave Tetzlaff) > 5. Re: Kodak Super8 digital camera (j miner) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Margaret Rorison <margaret.b.rori...@gmail.com> > To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:23:55 -0400 > Subject: [Frameworks] Kodak Super8 digital camera > Has anyone had the chance to experience and use this tool? > > Any exciting notes, critiques or comments? > > thanks! > Meg > > ------------------------------------------- > http://margaretrorison.com/ > http://sightunseenbaltimore.com/ > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jeff Kreines <j...@kinetta.com> > To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 17:38:16 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Super8 digital camera > It's a camera designed by someone who had never used a Super-8 film camera. > Mindless design. No optical viewfinder, just a flip out video screen. The > only good thing about it is the C-mount lens. > > Plus, it is overpriced. > > Jeff Kreines > Kinetta > j...@kinetta.com > kinetta.com > > Sent from iPhone. > > On Jul 13, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Margaret Rorison <margaret.b.rori...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Has anyone had the chance to experience and use this tool? > > Any exciting notes, critiques or comments? > > thanks! > Meg > > ------------------------------------------- > http://margaretrorison.com/ > http://sightunseenbaltimore.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Francisco Torres <fjtorre...@gmail.com> > To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:42:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Super8 digital camera > Has it been released yet? As far as I know it has not yet hit stores. > > 2017-07-13 14:23 GMT-04:00 Margaret Rorison <margaret.b.rori...@gmail.com>: >> >> Has anyone had the chance to experience and use this tool? >> >> Any exciting notes, critiques or comments? >> >> thanks! >> Meg >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> http://margaretrorison.com/ >> http://sightunseenbaltimore.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dave Tetzlaff <djte...@gmail.com> > To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 18:05:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Super8 digital camera > > Mindless design. No optical viewfinder, just a flip out video screen. Plus, > > it is overpriced. > > The projected price of the initial "limited edition” version is $2000, with a > less expensive “standard edition” supposedly to follow. It’s a film camera, > so the real cost is in the stock and processing: > > > Filmmakers using the new Kodak camera can send the 50’ cartridge to Kodak > > for developing and for a $100 developing fee Kodak will mail back to the > > filmmaker the developed film on a reel as well post a scanned digital > > version of the 2.5 minute film in a password protected cloud file. > > I’d have to guess the concept and pricing reflect a similar approach to The > Impossible Project’s new design Polaroid film camera, also very expensive. > These things seem targeted at cost-no-object users in Hollywood and > hipsterdom, who get off on having whatever tool – vintage or new-fangled – > has been used by some cel;ebrity maker in some high-profile project. > > > Before the reborn Super 8 camera has even hit store, big Hollywood names > > such as directors Steve Spielberg, Christopher Nolam, and J.J. Abrams have > > endorsed the product. > > For reference, Pro8mm in Burbank sells rebuilt Beaulieu 4008’s for $2000. > > I’d expect folks who want to do experimental work in S8 to stick to old > Canons and Nizos or whatever shows up in decent condition at the local thrift > store or on eBay. > > Jeff: what’s the problem with having what amounts to video assist versus a > dim optical finder? Isn’t the good news here for photochemical filmies that > some sort of stock and processing options will remain available from Kodak a > while longer now that they have this thing to support? > > There’s a 46 second test clip from a Kodak prototype on YT > [http://tinyurl.com/yayv8yok] complete with plastic pressure-plate > registration flutter, dust and scratch in the negative glitches, and a nice > chunk of crud in the gate. Ahh, the memories... > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: j miner <jedminer...@gmail.com> > To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 02:07:51 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Super8 digital camera > it will be released by winter i imagine. > i think it will be better than the chinon > bellami hd 1 > also it will not make you bitter inside > > On Thursday, July 13, 2017, Dave Tetzlaff <djte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Mindless design. No optical viewfinder, just a flip out video screen. >> > Plus, it is overpriced. >> >> The projected price of the initial "limited edition” version is $2000, with >> a less expensive “standard edition” supposedly to follow. It’s a film >> camera, so the real cost is in the stock and processing: >> >> > Filmmakers using the new Kodak camera can send the 50’ cartridge to Kodak >> > for developing and for a $100 developing fee Kodak will mail back to the >> > filmmaker the developed film on a reel as well post a scanned digital >> > version of the 2.5 minute film in a password protected cloud file. >> >> I’d have to guess the concept and pricing reflect a similar approach to The >> Impossible Project’s new design Polaroid film camera, also very expensive. >> These things seem targeted at cost-no-object users in Hollywood and >> hipsterdom, who get off on having whatever tool – vintage or new-fangled – >> has been used by some cel;ebrity maker in some high-profile project. >> >> > Before the reborn Super 8 camera has even hit store, big Hollywood names >> > such as directors Steve Spielberg, Christopher Nolam, and J.J. Abrams have >> > endorsed the product. >> >> For reference, Pro8mm in Burbank sells rebuilt Beaulieu 4008’s for $2000. >> >> I’d expect folks who want to do experimental work in S8 to stick to old >> Canons and Nizos or whatever shows up in decent condition at the local >> thrift store or on eBay. >> >> Jeff: what’s the problem with having what amounts to video assist versus a >> dim optical finder? Isn’t the good news here for photochemical filmies that >> some sort of stock and processing options will remain available from Kodak a >> while longer now that they have this thing to support? >> >> There’s a 46 second test clip from a Kodak prototype on YT >> [http://tinyurl.com/yayv8yok] complete with plastic pressure-plate >> registration flutter, dust and scratch in the negative glitches, and a nice >> chunk of crud in the gate. 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